tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post116061055806695296..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Advice To Ignatieff: Stop TalkingSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160855864984255672006-10-14T15:57:00.000-04:002006-10-14T15:57:00.000-04:00ti guyWell said! When you question whether Ignati...ti guy<BR/><BR/>Well said! When you question whether Ignatieff's tendency for gaffes makes him a good choice, it might be more a statement of the climate, than a character assessment. When you have an environment where soundbites rule the media, and frank talk is akin to blood in a shark tank, then you produce leaders who are largely bland and packaged. Something like this week could effectively sabatoge an election campaign. I guess the question is do we choose leadership as a reaction to the climate?Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160628169745650052006-10-12T00:42:00.000-04:002006-10-12T00:42:00.000-04:00Steve,I think your comments reflect what is wrong ...Steve,<BR/><BR/>I think your comments reflect what is wrong with the political environment.<BR/><BR/>The media love controversy. Their idea of balance is to get comment from people on the extreme opposite sides of an issue, rather than trying to find someone willing to cut out the posturing and rhetoric. Their goal is to catch people's attention and rile them up, which is why we only hear about the fallout from the comments and nothing about their substance.<BR/><BR/>As to your suggestion that Ignatieff may not be the best choice for leader given his penchant for controversy, I point out that, on every serious policy issue, there will be strong feelings on all sides. Making a decision or a statement on that issue will necessarily leave at least one side unhappy. But if we are to get anything done as a country, our leaders have to be willing to do things that annoy, anger, even outrage some people.<BR/><BR/>I'll concede that a leader shouldn't go around stirring up controversy unless he or she has a good reason, and I do hope Ignatieff will use less politically charged language in the future, but at least he's willing to stick his neck out, which is all too rare a quality in politicians.Winnipeg Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03060493678110210249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160626413864032542006-10-12T00:13:00.000-04:002006-10-12T00:13:00.000-04:00We need to gag him.We need to gag him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160623691039322382006-10-11T23:28:00.000-04:002006-10-11T23:28:00.000-04:00win libGood point. But, really what else can he s...win lib<BR/><BR/>Good point. But, really what else can he say now? If Ignatieff retracts he looks the fool, although he did present the war crimes angle in a more balance way today. I honestly believe he was over-zealous in trying to counter the view that he was an Israeli apologist, others can see it differently. One thing is clear, Ignatieff's frank talk might not be suitable for this environment. We are all debating the merits of what he said, the MSM is merely reporting the fallout and its all negative. The question becomes, given the penchant for controversy, is this man our best face? In my mind it's an open question.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160623054839998522006-10-11T23:17:00.000-04:002006-10-11T23:17:00.000-04:00Steve, If, as you suggest, Ignatieff is pandering,...Steve, <BR/><BR/>If, as you suggest, Ignatieff is pandering, how do you explain his willingness to repeat his comments today, in English, in Ontario, to the national media?<BR/><BR/>He's saying today exactly what he said on Sunday, and he's not bending to the pressure he's getting from pro-Israel groups. How then can he be pandering to all sides?<BR/><BR/>In my view, he's merely acknowledging the obvious - the laws of war appear to have been disregarded by participants on both sides during the Lebanon crisis.Winnipeg Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03060493678110210249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160621094574793352006-10-11T22:44:00.000-04:002006-10-11T22:44:00.000-04:00I want to see a full list of Ignatieff's contribut...I want to see a full list of Ignatieff's contributors. I have a sneaking suspicion that Tory money is coming in in droves. He's a wet dream.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160618729502791212006-10-11T22:05:00.000-04:002006-10-11T22:05:00.000-04:00olafI really think these comments were a misguided...olaf<BR/><BR/>I really think these comments were a misguided political overture to try and undo a perceived gaffe that alienated people. I have heard the argument that Ignatieff's latest comments show leadership and refreshing honesty. In my mind, nothing is further from the truth, this event represents Ignatieff's political-speak coming out party. I see no difference between what Ignatieff did in Quebec with Harper's penchant for speaking out of both sides of his mouth, depending on his audience.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160618417888061022006-10-11T22:00:00.000-04:002006-10-11T22:00:00.000-04:00"I can't believe this is coming from the same guy ..."I can't believe this is coming from the same guy who wrote yesterday's post."<BR/><BR/>You haven't been paying attention then :) Your "party hack" crap is hilarious.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160618359206807342006-10-11T21:59:00.000-04:002006-10-11T21:59:00.000-04:00Is his French sketchy, could it be a mistranslatio...<I>Is his French sketchy, could it be a mistranslation?</I><BR/><BR/>Olaf, Cerberus claims that he said "crime of war", not "war crime" - my French is actually worse than Kennedy's so I had to go to Chucker to check, who replied that there's no difference. "Crime de guerre" is what you say to mean "war crime".<BR/><BR/>Since then, a poster, Fadi, at Cerberus, says the exact same thing as Chucker.Jacques Beau Verthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450947780950412676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160618220763025752006-10-11T21:57:00.000-04:002006-10-11T21:57:00.000-04:00Who cares about political sphere, hasn't this guy ...<I>Who cares about political sphere, hasn't this guy been married -- twice? </I><BR/><BR/>BurlIvesPipe gets better and better each day. Man, that's a keeper.Jacques Beau Verthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450947780950412676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160618189809159842006-10-11T21:56:00.000-04:002006-10-11T21:56:00.000-04:00Huh?I can't believe this is coming from the same g...Huh?<BR/><BR/>I can't believe this is coming from the same guy who wrote yesterday's post.<BR/><BR/>After a lifetime of journalism and advocacy, Ignatieff is no "rookie" - he knows enough and has had all the preparation one could hope for. It just didn't seem to do him any good.<BR/><BR/>While I think it's premature (as far as I am aware) to call Qana a "war crime", I was fully ready to hear his thoughts out -- it's the hasty retreat his campaign beat that made me roll my eyes in contempt. I was willing (and happy) to listen, but if the campaign won't even stand by his statements and has to turn to spinning instead - I'm kind of tuning out.Jacques Beau Verthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450947780950412676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160618115127339892006-10-11T21:55:00.000-04:002006-10-11T21:55:00.000-04:00Steve,Seriously, what is wrong with him? I like I...Steve,<BR/><BR/>Seriously, what is wrong with him? I like Iggy, I like him more than any of the other candidates. But what the hell was he thinking with this? Especially as a human rights prof., he surely would know the implications of using the loaded term "war crime".<BR/><BR/>Is his French sketchy, could it be a mistranslation? I just don't get it. Everything else he said, and his clarifying statement, are pretty innocuous. So what happened?Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12434267803807108634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160617233512299502006-10-11T21:40:00.000-04:002006-10-11T21:40:00.000-04:00Controversies like today only fuel the idea that a...Controversies like today only fuel the idea that a Ignatieff-led Liberal Party would be a neverending exercise in damage control. Tory strategists must lick their chops at the thought of self-inflicted wounds, contrasted by their own ability to offer tight, controlled messages. In a short-election campaign, something like this episode could be fatal.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1160613232172675932006-10-11T20:33:00.000-04:002006-10-11T20:33:00.000-04:00Who cares about political sphere, hasn't this guy ...Who cares about political sphere, hasn't this guy been married -- twice? That's the average-joe realm where we find out that what we say carry serious, brain-cramping repercussions.<BR/>And that he was playing that ol' Canadian shellgame, talk one thing in french and another in english, is tried 'n true, but one that has to be used with some restraint... Tossing around bon mots on 'I didn't lose any sleep' or 'war crimes' seems to be a typical ivory tower kind of perspective that won't lose your tenure and may incite a great debate in a crowded auditorium, but to a reporter?<BR/>This guy would be essentially bathed in tar tar sauce for the election-fuelled media and would likely have the same positive effect as that poor ol' BC son, Bob Skelly (during the first press conference during the 1986 provincial election, moments after Vanderzalm had his newser to announce it, Skelly came out, on live TV, made a verbal misstep, gave that 'deer in the headlights look' to the whole province, and asked 'Can we start (the press conference) over?')... But even funner is seeing the Ignatieffites douse themselves with teflon trying to say that they may disagree with his latest 'statement'/reason-for-submitting-a-correction' but they still love this guy. He can win! That's the brain who calls itself TdHuh? has posted already.<BR/>I'm not an Anybody but... kind of guy, but i'm beginning to see a lot of reason to cheer on Volpe to give Iggy the ol' italian kiss of death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com