tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post1657437935599015423..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Things I'd Like To SeeSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-14794031145130991172008-12-13T01:58:00.000-05:002008-12-13T01:58:00.000-05:001) Inside baseball; 2) Definitely — this is an abs...1) Inside baseball; 2) Definitely — this is an absolute must; 3) I’m sure this is going to happen, as will a similar tour of the western provinces; 4) Let’s presume that Iggy can walk and chew gum at the same time when it comes to balancing the past, present and future aspects of the LPC; 5) See #2 (let’s see a little more creativity and experimentation going on in between election cycles, please).Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-71057822777586328212008-12-12T22:51:00.000-05:002008-12-12T22:51:00.000-05:00One other hilarious conclusion from Bricker, stati...One other hilarious conclusion from Bricker, stating that the Liberal leader really doesn't matter, when this is the same pollster who argued for months that Dion was a drag on the Liberal brand. Nice analysis, based on a confused question.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-85239165560675737292008-12-12T22:48:00.000-05:002008-12-12T22:48:00.000-05:00That poll was primarily about the coalition. I've...That poll was primarily about the coalition. I've already stated that it's a gigantic loser with people, this just reaffirms that. The trouble, you ask a bunch of questions about the coalition, then you ask a horserace question, do you really expect to see a tight result? Consider me unimpressed, unless of course we do back a coalition.<BR/><BR/>anon<BR/><BR/>Thank-you for the Con spin :)Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-77794709977952530972008-12-12T22:15:00.000-05:002008-12-12T22:15:00.000-05:00Harper has already completely written off Quebec. ...Harper has already completely written off Quebec. Quebec will want Ignatieff to vote the budget down no matter what whereas the rest of the country wants the opposite.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately if Ignaiteff props up Harper he is going to bleed badly to the Bloc. But if he doesn't prop Harper up then he's going bleed badly to Harper in Ontario where there are many more seats at play. Not great choices being faced, but it looks like Harper will gamble that he can make Iggy his whipping boy now. Confidence vote after confidence vote and then an election call where he'll say Ignatieff supported everything he did so in what basis should anyone vote for the Liberals?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-53422052352848578322008-12-12T21:35:00.000-05:002008-12-12T21:35:00.000-05:00Steve,Your comments on the Ipsos-Reid poll that An...Steve,<BR/><BR/>Your comments on the Ipsos-Reid poll that Anon 8:21 has put out.<BR/><BR/>Quebec numbers extremely good for Iggy. Iggy is now taking the lustre off of Layton and Lizzie May. They will have to rally to Iggy now.<BR/><BR/>The comment from Canadians is this. No coalition government to be propped up by the Bloc. They want an election if the House falls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-57657773856491672942008-12-12T20:21:00.000-05:002008-12-12T20:21:00.000-05:00Steve new poll:http://www.canada.com/topics/news/n...Steve new poll:<BR/>http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=1069355<BR/>CPC - 45<BR/>Libs - 26<BR/><BR/>That's with Ignatieff named as leader. There is NO improvement over what the numbers were with Dion and if we're gonna prop up the Cons no matter what's in the budget WHAT WAS THE POINT OF CHANGING LEADERS AND ENDING THE LEADERSHIP RACE PREMATURELY? <B>Couldn't Dion have just stayed on and taken the fall on the budget?</B> It's not a great first act to be propping a bad Conservative budget that would have been voted against in other circumstances (even Dion voted AGAINST the first two Con budgets as Opposition leader). <BR/><BR/>Now Harper won't compromise at all and Ignatieff will be mocked from all sides for falling over. <BR/><BR/><B>Who knows what Harper will revive now from the fiscal update, but you can bet he's feeling pretty gutsy right about now.</B><BR/><BR/>Obviously he hasn't suffered at all from the past gamesmanship and figures it won't hurt him to do it again and the Libs will fall in line no matter what.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-22981406979914338192008-12-12T19:52:00.000-05:002008-12-12T19:52:00.000-05:00NDP is about social democracy, social and economic...NDP is about social democracy, social and economic justice, human rights (remember it was Tommy Douglas who first introduced human rights), equality for all, public health care,the environment, electorial reform, and peace not war.<BR/><BR/>Liberals like to steal, as I just read above, good ideas from the NDP. But trying to make it your own, is the problem when liberals previous actions speak louder than words. <BR/>Remaking your image, marketing progressive programs means a party while in power or in opposition would actually champion those policies and programs. Furthermore, the order they are championed or pushed, as well as implemented also indicate to Canadians the direction of that party or government.<BR/>I am trying to be helpful and honest with you all. And there is a difference between socialism and social democracy. Social democracy style of govt in the likes of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland.susansmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02573558646874765432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-60600629157588915422008-12-12T18:43:00.000-05:002008-12-12T18:43:00.000-05:00A fight for the middle class and education, senior...A fight for the middle class and education, senior citizens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-20383127887460386122008-12-12T18:42:00.000-05:002008-12-12T18:42:00.000-05:00Liberals were human rights and social justice - Ch...Liberals were human rights and social justice - Charter of Rights and Freedoms, status of women, etc.<BR/><BR/>Revamping that might be a start.<BR/><BR/>Arts and culture would be good too (steal it from the NDP).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-44188537935389695662008-12-12T16:19:00.000-05:002008-12-12T16:19:00.000-05:00Oh, more here. Interesting :)Oh, more <A HREF="http://www.liberal.ca/story_15542_e.aspx" REL="nofollow">here</A>. Interesting :)Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-8633707075902081872008-12-12T16:16:00.000-05:002008-12-12T16:16:00.000-05:00A timely press release, and maybe a hint of things...A timely press release, and maybe a hint of things to <A HREF="http://www.liberal.ca/story_15543_e.aspx" REL="nofollow">come</A>.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-49655471001278359392008-12-12T16:08:00.000-05:002008-12-12T16:08:00.000-05:00Dion is a big asset to the Liberals front bench. ...Dion is a big asset to the Liberals front bench. I hope Liberals will start taking him seriously again, and ignore the shallow ramblings from his critics.Blues Clairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08053624911945551511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-53848740512139875972008-12-12T15:40:00.000-05:002008-12-12T15:40:00.000-05:00Steve the reaction in Quebec is literally...DION I...Steve the reaction in Quebec is literally...<BR/><BR/>DION IS GONE!<BR/><BR/>they are taking a few parting shots as well...not surprising since nobody here ever took the guy seriouslyAnthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04018582124108708061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-57869826584189635662008-12-12T15:23:00.000-05:002008-12-12T15:23:00.000-05:00Oh man absolutely ! (on your Bloc territory comme...Oh man absolutely ! (on your Bloc territory comment). Iggy should move to, like, Trois Rivieres and spend every waking moment pounding the pavement and calling local Liberal riding execs. Smile and Dial !!! Remember the lesson from Obama's campaign: everything is winnable.Allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05772923043520579296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-4320632043713274112008-12-12T15:06:00.000-05:002008-12-12T15:06:00.000-05:00There's still Dion's debt - others?There's still Dion's debt - others?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-438505059701070102008-12-12T15:05:00.000-05:002008-12-12T15:05:00.000-05:00Steve here is point 6.Whatever the heck is that Li...Steve here is point 6.<BR/><BR/>Whatever the heck is that Liberals stand for!!!!<BR/><BR/>Think about it, the Greens stand for the environment, the NDP for socialism and the cons for christian fundimentalism. What is it that the Liberals have as their base ideology? <BR/><BR/>Next spring they need to join the real world and go to one membership=one vote and develop a core value that will attract a strong base and then they will start leaving the wilderness finally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-52366914698324321882008-12-12T15:03:00.000-05:002008-12-12T15:03:00.000-05:00No, I take it back. If you need a rebranding, do i...No, I take it back. If you need a rebranding, do it. Why wait? <BR/><BR/>I am just coming from the presumption that the coalition will end, the Liberals will rebuild and there will be no election in the near future. Quite a presumption, I know, but in that case I think they will win support as an effective opposition which is proactive on policy more than image, which in turn becomes their image. <BR/><BR/>Oh no, I've gone cross-eyed. Maybe I should start my own blog where I can argue with myself and leave you alone Steve.CuzBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14169446711811834115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-17614568345906460782008-12-12T14:44:00.000-05:002008-12-12T14:44:00.000-05:00Yeah, maybe it was Rae. Either way I know what he ...Yeah, maybe it was Rae. Either way I know what he meant but I think it spoke to a larger issue than caucus unity. IMHO, people are sick of politics and distractions. They just want to see work. They only want to see a politician's face if he/she is giving them good economic news.I agree that the LPC needs a rebranding, just not now. <BR/><BR/>Utilizing all the new technologies, I'm with you there for sure. It's so important to be ahead of your opponents on database tech, website etc.CuzBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14169446711811834115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-18831024053559962922008-12-12T14:43:00.000-05:002008-12-12T14:43:00.000-05:00MikeCould have swore I heard the fee was paid by I...Mike<BR/><BR/>Could have swore I heard the fee was paid by Ignatieff, and Rae formally went in. If I'm wrong, sorry, but I still favor these guys using their list of supporters to push the VF.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-88582790637322563612008-12-12T14:38:00.000-05:002008-12-12T14:38:00.000-05:00Good ideas. At least we've bought ourselves time b...Good ideas. At least we've bought ourselves time before we have to worry about 2, I mean goodness it's like no one even runs the conservative website anymore. So far all they've done is a fundraising letter to their own base and they got flak for that anyway. They only people who I think will be trashing Ignatieff from now till budget time now are the Blogging Tories and it's debatable how much the LPC should directly answer their attacks.<BR/><BR/>On 1 though, I don't think that flies. As far as I know neither Rae nor LeBlanc had paid the $90,000 entrance fee yet and it seems unfair to force them too now that they've dropped out. In fact I don't think even Ignatieff has paid the entrance fee yet, but I guess your idea could apply to him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-75268751959467944192008-12-12T14:23:00.000-05:002008-12-12T14:23:00.000-05:00AntonioWhat's the early reaction from the Quebec p...Antonio<BR/><BR/>What's the early reaction from the Quebec press to Iggy, particularly outside of Montreal?Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-80216569336432057802008-12-12T14:22:00.000-05:002008-12-12T14:22:00.000-05:00I think it was Rae who said "boring", and it relat...I think it was Rae who said "boring", and it related to caucus discipline and unity. I'm referring to using the new technologies to maximum advantage, among other things. On that score, I admit to admiring the NDP in the last campaign on a few fronts, particulary their advertising, which was different, it caught the eye.<BR/><BR/>jimme<BR/><BR/>Most, most definitely. I referenced Quebec, because as far as I can remember, and I was watching intently, Dion never once visited the Eastern Townships. Whether it's viable terrain or not, you need to connect with whatever base you have, and at least attempt to show a presence. That same logic applies to areas in the west.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-85025419154511972752008-12-12T14:19:00.000-05:002008-12-12T14:19:00.000-05:00adding to point number 3Michael Ignatieff got the ...adding to point number 3<BR/><BR/>Michael Ignatieff got the entire provincial Liberal Party organization to hop on board for the leadership race.<BR/><BR/>The PLQ blame Stephen Harper for the late surge in PQ support at the end of the campaign, costing Charest up to 10 seats.<BR/><BR/>Im sure the Premier would have no problem letting his organizers get back at HarperAnthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04018582124108708061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-2335573524580600192008-12-12T14:15:00.001-05:002008-12-12T14:15:00.001-05:00R.O.Me, I would like to see him spend some time w...R.O.<BR/>Me, I would like to see him spend some time west of Manitoba & also challenge this Senate side show.JimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-24778759447417258312008-12-12T14:15:00.000-05:002008-12-12T14:15:00.000-05:00re:#5 What about Ignatieff's pledge that the LPC w...re:#5 <BR/><BR/>What about Ignatieff's pledge that the LPC will be "boring"? I think he's right. People only want to see politicians with their heads down, pens scribbling. Unless the new edgy presentation is all about seriousness and hardwork, I would stick to boring. Any "new look" will take significant time and money, I don't know if there's an appetite for that.CuzBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14169446711811834115noreply@blogger.com