tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post1694393611629861540..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Post Cadman PollSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-37799638409622494702008-03-04T22:06:00.000-05:002008-03-04T22:06:00.000-05:00I think all talk of were the liberals "cowardly" w...I think all talk of were the liberals "cowardly" will vanish in an election. <BR/><BR/>This government will fall, they all do. It is convenient to agonize over it all.<BR/><BR/>But during an election, I doubt people think, "well, I would have voted for party x because I support their policies more. But only if they had brought down the government 6 months ago. No, not now."<BR/><BR/>I know that is simplified, but so is the over-magnification on the issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-60695606948210936952008-03-04T20:26:00.000-05:002008-03-04T20:26:00.000-05:00The Libs have put themselves in a pickle. If the v...The Libs have put themselves in a pickle. If the voters continue to put them in the penalty box over their cowardice, then they will probably wait until the real election date. However, they have probably lost all credibility now, so their is probably no hope of their numbers going up to any degree. I think this Cadman thing will result in a pox on both your houses type of thing, with voters parking their votes with the Greens in disgust.liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-50471349469941710872008-03-04T19:25:00.000-05:002008-03-04T19:25:00.000-05:00As to everyone's speculation about why the NDP isn...As to everyone's speculation about why the NDP isn't supporting taking this whole Cadman thing to the Ethics Committee is because of "concerns that any testimony heard there couldn't be used for future criminal prosecutions due to parliamentary privilege". <BR/><BR/>So to my Liberal friends, lets try to look past any possible political motivation here, because it seems like if this goes to the Ethics Committee that would destroy any chances of pursuing any possible criminal charges, if the RCMP were to find any. If there were laws broken, don't we want to make sure that those who broke them are prosecuted???northwestern_ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16833632861345350726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-45526965086334115322008-03-04T19:21:00.000-05:002008-03-04T19:21:00.000-05:00"I was extremely disappointed in their budget cowa..."I was extremely disappointed in their budget cowardice last week, so I was hoping that the voters were going to teach them a lesson."<BR/><BR/>Pretty embarassing today, listening to the Conservatives counting, as the 11 Liberals voted against the budget. The sense of pride you feel :)<BR/><BR/>ti-guy<BR/><BR/>Seems to be a struggle between freedom of opinion and honest discourse. I let most of it go, but then again, you could look at like this blog is my house, and I would never invite, nor talk, to these trolls, so why should I listen to the drivel here. If it gets silly, gradeschool, just meant to antagonize, what is the point?<BR/><BR/>It's a funny dynamic online, the minority in the real world, in this forum, the right is more vocal.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-80315626752434471242008-03-04T19:06:00.001-05:002008-03-04T19:06:00.001-05:00I cull and prune from time to time, so it doesn't ...<I>I cull and prune from time to time, so it doesn't get outrageous.</I><BR/><BR/>Caring for the potted plants...I like that.<BR/><BR/>Still, when the election comes, they're going to <I>swarming</I>... with sock-puppets shilling and trolling (shrolling?) in droves. I really hope progressives just cut it off at that time. We've heard everything they've had to say, I'm sure.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-31073426755861196092008-03-04T19:06:00.000-05:002008-03-04T19:06:00.000-05:00Much like the Leafs, where they are better off los...Much like the Leafs, where they are better off losing at this point, I was actually hoping for a worse result for the Libs. I was extremely disappointed in their budget cowardice last week, so I was hoping that the voters were going to teach them a lesson. However, a week is a long time...so along came the Cadman affair and I believe mitigated an even worse polling fate. Yet the Reid result at 28% is one of the lowest results in recent months, so that is worth noting.liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-8148892864355240532008-03-04T19:02:00.000-05:002008-03-04T19:02:00.000-05:00"NDP want Liberals destroyed and they are probably..."NDP want Liberals destroyed and they are probably also in a panic because the Green is climbing fast behind them."<BR/><BR/>I believe this is the third poll to put the Greens in third, in Ontario. Quite remarkable, and not something to dismiss, given their impressive showing in the provincial election.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-50364443123342593612008-03-04T18:20:00.000-05:002008-03-04T18:20:00.000-05:00And, the sanctimony about abstaining from voting m...And, the sanctimony about abstaining from voting makes me laugh. I remember when Layton was on Toronto City counsel and he was suspended for a time because he was out protesting with Eaton employees instead of being at the council meetings - he makes laugh, and unfortunately most people don't know this stuff.<BR/><BR/>NDP want Liberals destroyed and they are probably also in a panic because the Green is climbing fast behind them.RuralSandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552973218865121867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-87681004363144114872008-03-04T15:58:00.000-05:002008-03-04T15:58:00.000-05:00I think it is likely the NDP do not want to allow ...I think it is likely the NDP do not want to allow the liberals to have any traction over this, which is why they are now going on about Martin having the book last year (by the way, does anyone think Martin did not actually read the book???).<BR/><BR/>I also suspect that the NDP do not want to give Dona Cadman any positive attention since they currently hold that seat.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-24055324120856315562008-03-04T14:39:00.000-05:002008-03-04T14:39:00.000-05:00" I think it's still early to gauge the polling im..." I think it's still early to gauge the polling impact, if any, of the Cadman affair. It will take a little while to sink in, I think."<BR/><BR/>I would tend to agree, but I see this as indication.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-6368676102170869642008-03-04T14:38:00.000-05:002008-03-04T14:38:00.000-05:00The budget reaction may well temper any Liberal ca...The budget reaction may well temper any Liberal capitalization. However, I think it's still early to gauge the polling impact, if any, of the Cadman affair. It will take a little while to sink in, I think. We'll see in a few weeks. Not sure when Nanos is out next, but I recall him being quoted saying if the Cons don't nip this in the bud their brand could be in real trouble.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-84311659123516267522008-03-04T14:13:00.000-05:002008-03-04T14:13:00.000-05:00ti-guyI cull and prune from time to time, so it do...ti-guy<BR/><BR/>I cull and prune from time to time, so it doesn't get outrageous.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-7184995948502539702008-03-04T14:12:00.000-05:002008-03-04T14:12:00.000-05:00josephI've been wondering the same thing, the NDP ...joseph<BR/><BR/>I've been wondering the same thing, the NDP stance on the ethic's committee seems strange, especially in light of Mulroney. I've heard a couple commentators suggest the NDP are worried that the Liberals might get too much traction from a hearing, they prefer a less public airing. Yesterday, when Layton rose and didn't speak on Cadman, I started to get very suspicious, but then later other NDP MP's brought up the matter. Still, I found it odd that most of the initial NDP reaction centered around "what did the Liberals know and when", sort of like digging for a nugget, when there is a boulder right beside you. Strange.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-11616555214590434172008-03-04T14:11:00.000-05:002008-03-04T14:11:00.000-05:00"But why is the NDP so coy on going after the Cadm..."But why is the NDP so coy on going after the Cadman affair? Seems like they should be all over it. I find it interesting. "<BR/><BR/>A news media comment, CBC I think but not sure, to the effect that the NDP isn't all over it because they want to keep the focus on Liberal 'problems'.rufoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03540839613011115109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-90553895393053121992008-03-04T14:00:00.000-05:002008-03-04T14:00:00.000-05:00Sorry if off-topic - I really do normally try not ...Sorry if off-topic - I really do normally try not to do that.<BR/><BR/>But I respect your opinion, Steve. Maybe this might be worth its own post. <BR/><BR/>But why is the NDP so coy on going after the Cadman affair? Seems like they should be all over it. I find it interesting. Did they have their own discussions with Cadman, even if totally appropriate and they just want to stay out of it.<BR/><BR/>Or do they not like that strangely, Paul Martin is the only politician - aside from Cadman himself - who comes out seeming downright dignified in that messy week not so long ago. (I love the fact that the few cases of folks trying to claim this is some type of ancient history have gained NO traction).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-29346194288581484982008-03-04T13:40:00.000-05:002008-03-04T13:40:00.000-05:00Just throwing this out...Do progressive bloggers t...Just throwing this out...Do progressive bloggers think permitting the comments sections of their blogs to be hijacked by paid CPC shills (conveniently anonymous) is a good idea?<BR/><BR/>It really is cheap publicity for the Conservative Party, and one they don't have to show receipts for.<BR/><BR/>Paid shills should have to at least sign up for a Blogger account, which is the only respect I have for Wilson.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-5025493416661170662008-03-04T13:25:00.000-05:002008-03-04T13:25:00.000-05:00anonMost of that AR was done as the story was deve...anon<BR/><BR/>Most of that AR was done as the story was developing, which is why I use this one for context. You will note, I referenced it in relation to the budget and the Liberals (wasn't kind), there is no bias here.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-76305377224106805702008-03-04T13:22:00.000-05:002008-03-04T13:22:00.000-05:00Interesting. Angus Reid/Toronto Star says CPC 34%,...Interesting. Angus Reid/Toronto Star says CPC 34%, LPC 28%Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com