tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post2505844251160355263..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Harris DecimaSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-19561257869825497122009-09-16T10:41:38.340-04:002009-09-16T10:41:38.340-04:00Patrick
I was fine with on several occasions, som...Patrick<br /><br />I was fine with on several occasions, sometimes I wasn't. Most of the "fine" part had to do with the ridiculousness of wanting an election every other week. Besides, that's sort of irrelevant to three years of messenging that spoke to this criticism you just mentioned, then turning around and DOING the exact same thing you chastized others for. My only point, the NDP are NO different than their targets, the sanctimony is offensive, willing to put self interest above principle, etc. I don't really disagree with the strategy from a detached perspective, they're broke, they have no candidates and they'll lose seats. Lavigne said they'll spend the max, that will handicap the party for years in the future- you heard it here first.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-64190941419226409552009-09-15T19:10:57.067-04:002009-09-15T19:10:57.067-04:00"I'm sure undercutting your entire messag..."I'm sure undercutting your entire message the last 3 years will be a big hit with the public."<br /> <br />Steve you were often the first one to support and defend the liberals when they would change tactics or positions on certain issues. I'm fine with the NDP changing sides on this one because frankly, we can't afford an election at this time anyways. Maybe Jack Layton is actually keeping Ignatieff's hopes alive after all.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17644290144165164964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-56812209889315041822009-09-15T16:29:09.903-04:002009-09-15T16:29:09.903-04:00These polls just got a whole lot more meaningless,...These polls just got a whole lot more meaningless, what with the separatists and socialists propping up the Cons. My goodness, who would have thunk it a few weeks ago, the Libs the ONLY real opposition.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-62262276252327930182009-09-15T15:08:50.866-04:002009-09-15T15:08:50.866-04:00Dame
Much appreciated :) I hear you on the quest...Dame<br /><br />Much appreciated :) I hear you on the questions. I don't take the polls at face value, I like to see the questions and the pdf's. Unfortunately, some of them don't let you see everything (Ipsos for one). I firmly believe that we should have FULL public disclosure for all PUBLICLY released polling. We should also have third party scrutiny to digest the framing of questions. Polls affect our discourse, they affect the media, they play a large role, so it irks me that they can shape narratives with no accountability.<br /><br />Joseph<br /><br />Maybe that's why I've always complimented you on your insightful commentary ;) hehe.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-40940565897013244532009-09-15T15:02:18.466-04:002009-09-15T15:02:18.466-04:00Well maybe not dimissing all but I was apalled w...Well maybe not dimissing all but I was apalled when read the actual questions.. <br /><br />the problem is the whole thing comes with a few Numbers at the end as indicating the trends.... you know the expression "garbage in ... garbage out""" <br />we should expose these lies this is a lie ... <br /><br /><br />By the way I am reading your Colums as a first thing in the morning you are one of the best with lots of insights, wisdom and good analysing works... <br />keep it going please..Damehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15548065189088501935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-41570947283097568182009-09-15T14:55:56.647-04:002009-09-15T14:55:56.647-04:00Steve, we think way too much alike sometimes . . ....Steve, we think way too much alike sometimes . . . I almost used that phrase in my first comment ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-25131952305217124092009-09-15T14:46:14.476-04:002009-09-15T14:46:14.476-04:00Dame
Honestly, I think it foolish to dismiss them...Dame<br /><br />Honestly, I think it foolish to dismiss them all. You think Layton is acting as such without polling data? It effects our political discourse to a great extent, decisions are made based on numbers. Period. <br /><br />You're right about loaded questions, which is why a critical eye is required.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-35348901596520250682009-09-15T14:43:33.659-04:002009-09-15T14:43:33.659-04:00Joseph
It's like the Canadian Rasmussen.Joseph<br /><br />It's like the Canadian Rasmussen.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-46438666534043638332009-09-15T14:42:50.428-04:002009-09-15T14:42:50.428-04:00Steve I always thought you are overestimating the ...Steve I always thought you are overestimating the REAL WORTH when reading the polls Now I am just dismissing them all .<br /><br />I Read this artickle http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/15/nanosipsos-the-unloved-one-that-would-be-ignatieff-if-you-were-wondering/<br /> and I was shocked about The idioticy of the actual questions... they were using..<br />This is no way To measure the pulse of the nation... it leads to total misreadings . It is a fraud .Damehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15548065189088501935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-48749770024425725262009-09-15T14:41:44.759-04:002009-09-15T14:41:44.759-04:00Reid
Yes, I understood the most basic of point yo...Reid<br /><br />Yes, I understood the most basic of point you're making like it's DEEP. What I'm saying, you can still compare the two, it's a false distinction you've made. It's not apples and oranges, it's Gala and Delicious.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-7718723310360824292009-09-15T14:18:11.695-04:002009-09-15T14:18:11.695-04:00Strangely, this whole conversation repeats one fro...Strangely, this whole conversation repeats one from a few weeks ago. Almost word for word.<br /><br />I'm not biting this time.<br /><br />Let's just leave it at Ipsos is right in a parallel universe . . . a conservative one. The timing of their releases in relation to key conservative media points at any given time and how their analysis closely tracks those media talking points to a tee is a fascinating phenomenon though. And, strangely, they always swing back into the actual universe just as the voting begins. A modern miracle for us all to behold.<br /><br />;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-28902712060605479252009-09-15T13:55:46.725-04:002009-09-15T13:55:46.725-04:00Steve. Clearly you don't understand. For exa...Steve. Clearly you don't understand. For example a rolling average poll wouldn't have captured the effect of the RCMP investigation into a potential leak from Goodale, or his ministry, on income trusts. A stand alone poll would. That incident moved the polls, what - 11% overnight?<br /><br />You can't compare the two types of polls as apples to apples because they're apples to oranges. Just sayin'Reidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00601342147663575029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-75876046410816718312009-09-15T13:48:04.319-04:002009-09-15T13:48:04.319-04:00"Second choice" consideration is the key..."Second choice" consideration is the key behind the numbers.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-33550614441736484792009-09-15T13:30:43.359-04:002009-09-15T13:30:43.359-04:00I notice that these numbers from Decima add up to ...I notice that these numbers from Decima add up to 98 - so I guess that someone is fractionally above what the numbers say.<br /><br />This is not particularly good news for the Tories. After endlessly haranguing the Liberals about "coalitions with so-called socialists and separatists" and after saturating TV with their brutal anti-Ignatieff attack ads (I was watching a football game on Sunday and the Tory ads were on CONSTANTLY) - they are still stuck at 34%....and what happens when that 10% Green figure inevitably collapses to a more realistic 5% level? the soft green will go Liberal, NDP, BQ, not vote at all or vote Tory - that order.DLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11587165866597795302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-88759120244471705262009-09-15T13:14:59.802-04:002009-09-15T13:14:59.802-04:00What you said, makes no sense whatsoever. It does...What you said, makes no sense whatsoever. It does negate the Ipsos poll, as does every other outfit. <br /><br />One time events? Hmmm, then why have they essentially replicated it twice, Ipsos I mean?Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-43628635242160162342009-09-15T13:08:33.351-04:002009-09-15T13:08:33.351-04:00One thing, while I take polls with a grain of salt...One thing, while I take polls with a grain of salt, this HD poll doesn't negate the IR poll. With a rolling average poll, as HD is, you see the trend of what's happening vs the stand alone polls which show the snapshot in time. So it's a mistake to compare the two types and say one negates the other. They're different methodologies and you have to look at the results differently.<br /><br />Each type of poll has it's pros and cons. While a rolling average poll is superior for showing trends, where it fails is that it doesn't adequately capture discreet, one time events, that are captured in the stand alone polls.Reidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00601342147663575029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-44332766392527754292009-09-15T12:53:31.177-04:002009-09-15T12:53:31.177-04:00I'm sure undercutting your entire message the ...I'm sure undercutting your entire message the last 3 years will be a big hit with the public.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-54299161136319069272009-09-15T12:41:53.938-04:002009-09-15T12:41:53.938-04:00No link?
Incidentally, no sign here that NDP supp...No link?<br /><br />Incidentally, no sign here that NDP support is any better or worse than its been.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.com