tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post3356300673677956264..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Two For OneSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-67176072893838730862011-04-25T16:42:34.875-04:002011-04-25T16:42:34.875-04:00"did you miss the part where I said all the w..."did you miss the part where I said all the way up to Harper?"<br /><br />Nope.<br /><br />Did you miss my point? Seems you did.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-51797561752746156862011-04-25T16:39:03.824-04:002011-04-25T16:39:03.824-04:00Obama has also held to many of his promises, so if...Obama has also held to many of his promises, so if you can play selective game forever, it doesn't make is so. I'll give you this, the Liberal failure primarily comes from the inability to convince voters that our brand is truly renewed. People look around, say "I don't really like Harper", but they see same old elsewhere so no sense changing course. It really boils down to this consideration, it isn't affection, more resignation.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1459914768702682352011-04-25T16:17:34.801-04:002011-04-25T16:17:34.801-04:00Gayle...did you miss the part where I said all the...Gayle...did you miss the part where I said all the way up to Harper? They all lie Gayle, its pretty much the only way to win an election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-9318645917293879462011-04-25T16:15:18.223-04:002011-04-25T16:15:18.223-04:00Maybe, but, I think they all lie, tehy'll say ...Maybe, but, I think they all lie, tehy'll say whatever they have to say to get into power, then, hope to govern well and keep people employed and win again on a good record. Been observing it for 35 years now and its not going to change anytime soon. Has Obama canceled GITMO yet? He knew he couldnt, yet, man the applause he got when he said he could. They all lie Steve, the ones who get elected just tell believable ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-69067492259211779752011-04-25T16:13:39.952-04:002011-04-25T16:13:39.952-04:00I see where William is going wrong. He is confusin...I see where William is going wrong. He is confusing lies with broken promises.<br /><br />"I will never run a deficit" = broken promise.<br /><br />"The country is in good economic shape due to Harper's fiscal management" = lie.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-34194627677009692932011-04-25T15:56:48.744-04:002011-04-25T15:56:48.744-04:00Actually no, it was because the Libs OWNED Ontario...Actually no, it was because the Libs OWNED Ontario, there was no viable center option. It was default really, not your theory. It's a very tortured blanket argument you are making, and it simply doesn't fit neatly like you're keep trying to demonstrate.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-82964873310655808382011-04-25T15:44:48.720-04:002011-04-25T15:44:48.720-04:00"Do you think people voted for Chretien becau..."Do you think people voted for Chretien because they thought he wouldn't follow through?"<br />No, but that was not my point, my point was, that the very next election, the campaign after the GST campaign lie, voters handed him another majority, because lies dont really matter when people feel govt is being run properly.<br />As far as Layton in Quebec, you got me there...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-85962118504925422942011-04-25T15:20:56.105-04:002011-04-25T15:20:56.105-04:00Yes the lie, but people don't vote thinking th...Yes the lie, but people don't vote thinking they will lie. Do you think people voted for Chretien because they thought he wouldn't follow through? Give your head a shake, we are forever searching for honesty, why the hell do you think new and shiny Layton is surging in Quebec, because people think he's lying to them? Sheesh.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-60197740774473647212011-04-25T15:15:12.245-04:002011-04-25T15:15:12.245-04:00Jeezus. Sorry I stopped in.
Politicians lie. Tru...Jeezus. Sorry I stopped in.<br />Politicians lie. Trudeau lied "zap, your frozen". Chretien lied.."I'll cancel the GST". Harper lied.."my mandate is to clean up government". Dig a hole and burry your heads up to your necks for all I care. Lies work, Attack Ads work...where the hell you guys been? 300,000$ in cash ruined Brian Mulroney, the fact that his govts were sleazy and underhanded didnt seem to bother voters. Cash in brown envelopes has tainted the Libs, not HRDC, not a Gun Registry on steroids and not even the GST reversal...cash in brown envelopes. Im just not sure what your not understanding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-88927145039656130792011-04-25T14:57:17.152-04:002011-04-25T14:57:17.152-04:00Sure william - and then go ask his voters whether ...Sure william - and then go ask his voters whether they BELIEVE him.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-5203787287037636152011-04-25T14:56:17.357-04:002011-04-25T14:56:17.357-04:00gwilliamjr - so you admit that Harper's 2006 p...gwilliamjr - so you admit that Harper's 2006 pledge to clean up government and become more accountable were just lies to get him elected. Thank you for being honest. It is a sign of maturity to admit the Harper-Conservatives are slime.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-57760127039877780802011-04-25T14:53:41.896-04:002011-04-25T14:53:41.896-04:00You may think its utter crap, but, its the truth. ...You may think its utter crap, but, its the truth. Go back the past 30 years and look at what Canadians have been told on the campaign trails...you'll see a grocery list of promises that were never intended to be kept, then, ask yourself why nothing seems to stick to Harper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-20787257889432718332011-04-25T14:42:17.844-04:002011-04-25T14:42:17.844-04:00william
That's utter crap, sorry to say.william<br /><br />That's utter crap, sorry to say.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-38141717178227172432011-04-25T14:37:29.889-04:002011-04-25T14:37:29.889-04:00leftdog
Almost as funny as your platform! Bahaha...leftdog<br /><br />Almost as funny as your platform! Bahahaha.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-48059247185737130252011-04-25T14:36:23.618-04:002011-04-25T14:36:23.618-04:00Not sure where you've been the past 30 years G...Not sure where you've been the past 30 years Gayle, but, I can go back to Trudeau's era and find campaigns of lies all the way up to Harper. The surge in the NDP has put their platform under scrutiny and caused them to back down from a few campaign "lies".<br />So, ya, campaigns are about telling lies that are wrapped up in pretty packages. The voters know they are lies and vote for the package of lies they consider to be the make the most sense. There are no more Diefenbakers or Pearsons Gayle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-14539670008476745742011-04-25T14:29:38.300-04:002011-04-25T14:29:38.300-04:00That ad is SO funny! So are BC Lib street tactics....That ad is SO funny! So are BC Lib street tactics. I mean ... stealing pamphlets out of mailboxes from GREEN candidates???leftdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06936887870919391739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-24617439760114186882011-04-25T14:10:44.781-04:002011-04-25T14:10:44.781-04:00"Voters expect to get lied to, so, I'm no..."Voters expect to get lied to, so, I'm not sure how that becomes an issue anymore."<br /><br />Seriously?<br /><br />It is an issue when voters believe the lies and do not believe the truth. The point is not to out Harper as a liar. The point is to get the truth to Canadians.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-15264319830220748042011-04-25T12:24:43.822-04:002011-04-25T12:24:43.822-04:00Voters expect to get lied to, so, I'm not sure...Voters expect to get lied to, so, I'm not sure how that becomes an issue anymore. We see with Layton that people tend to vote more for the leader then the local candidate, so, trying to deflect this really isnt helping. Harper is holding the cons back from attaining a large majority, Layton is propelling the NDP into uncharted territory, and, Ignatief, well, do the judging yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-14266164516793249982011-04-25T12:05:13.076-04:002011-04-25T12:05:13.076-04:00"You had to spend several paragraphs (I don&#..."You had to spend several paragraphs (I don't include the gratuitous insults)defending your stance. If you have to do that, you are in trouble."<br /><br />You're right. It is easier to lie in 114 characters or less than it is to tell the truth.<br /><br />Harper's great strategy in the debates was to lie and then remain calm while the other leaders were justifiable irritated by his lies. Their mistake was to let him get away with that. Their mistake was to think, after all this time, Harper would not simply repeat the same lies over and over again.<br /><br />Harper will be defeated when the opposition finds a way to explain his lies in 114 characters or less. Until then we are stuck with him.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-43672188151494753152011-04-25T12:03:48.882-04:002011-04-25T12:03:48.882-04:00Jack Layton's goal has always been to supplant...Jack Layton's goal has always been to supplant the Liberals and make himself the Leader of the Official opposition not to advance any NDP principles.<br /><br />Here we are with one week to go and the NDP is running those silly ads on Ignatieff's attendance records which are disingenuous at best and outright fabrications at worst.<br /><br />I am sorry to say that I believe we are headed towards a Harper majority and whomever is the Official Opposition leader at that point will be moot.<br /><br />Harper will have four unfettered years to weaken our institutions, democracy, and the very fabric of our nation even further. He will have complete control over the HOC and the senate and will have the ability to appoint judges to the SCOC with extreme views far outside the mainstream.<br /><br />We will have an F-35 debacle on our hands as well as going down the path to following the failed crime policies of the US.<br /><br />Our finances will be in the toilet and our International reputation while already bruised will be further damaged.<br /><br />I also believe Harper will weaken our single payer Universal health care which he was never an advocate despite his current claims to the contrary.<br /><br />Harper was brought down on a contempt of Parliament citation which should have been the focus of Opposition attacks including the NDP.<br /><br />It will be a high price for Canada to pay and after four years of Harper I don't know if we will ever be able to recover or find our way back.<br /><br />I used to respect the Federal NDP but now I just find them a party of useful idiots that helped deliver Harper in the first place and are now helping to deliver a Harper majority.<br /><br />It is a heavy price to pay for Jack Layton's desperate need for attention. If I sound bitter it is because I most certainly am.<br /><br />A Harper majority is an NDP supporters worst nightmare and a betrayal by their party of everything they ever stood for.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172834435782555933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-6023554680204177462011-04-25T11:43:12.708-04:002011-04-25T11:43:12.708-04:00It has always been Jack Layton's goal to suppl...It has always been Jack Layton's goal to supplant the Liberals and to make himself Official Opposition Leader. Not to advance any NDP principles.<br /><br />I am sorry to say that I think we are headed towards a Harper majority and at that point whoever is the Official opposition leader is will be moot.<br /><br />Harper will have four unfettered years to wreak havoc on our Institutions and our democracy, and the very fabric of our nation even further.<br /><br />He will have complete control over the HOC and the senate and will be able to appoint extreme right wingers to the SCOC with extreme views far outside the mainstream views of most Canadians.<br /><br />Our finances will be in the toilet and our International reputation while already bruised will be further damaged.<br /><br />We will have an F-35 debacle on our hands as well as more asinine policy decisions such as the census.<br /><br />We will go down the road to following the failed crime policies of the US.<br /><br />If I sound bitter it is because I am. I also believe that Harper will weaken pour single payer Universal health care which he was never an advocate of despite his claims to the contrary.<br /><br />It is a high price to pay for Jack Layton's desperate need for attention.<br /><br />Harper was brought down on a contempt of Parliament citation and that should have been the focus of ALL opposition attacks.<br /><br />The unintended consequence of this election will be the worst nugatory NDP supporters could ever imagine.<br /><br />I did have respect for the Federal NDP at one point but now I just see them as Harper's useful idiots.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172834435782555933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-50131073851261758602011-04-25T11:43:00.701-04:002011-04-25T11:43:00.701-04:00Greg, so Harper's minions don't understand...Greg, so Harper's minions don't understand anything if it goes beyond 114-characters? Likewise, you're proving a point of mine.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-77924748796748379302011-04-25T11:33:54.116-04:002011-04-25T11:33:54.116-04:00K-W you are proving my point. You had to spend sev...K-W you are proving my point. You had to spend several paragraphs (I don't include the gratuitous insults)defending your stance. If you have to do that, you are in trouble.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06509182679650412982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-10451478508170427232011-04-25T11:25:34.407-04:002011-04-25T11:25:34.407-04:00Greg wrote:
I mean what is one to make of an ad th...Greg wrote:<br />I mean what is one to make of an ad that calls for raising the corporate tax rate back up to 18% and then castigating the NDP for raising taxes. It is a bit of a muddle. Carry on though.<br /><br />Duh! Unlike the NDP, the Liberals are not against lowering business taxes. Just that it's stupid to lower taxes now - like the Reformatories have done - when we're $56 billion in the red, on top of being in a structural deficit before the recession even began.<br /><br />We can afford to keep corporate taxes at 2010 levels as our competitors in the G7 all have higher tax rates - and with staggering deficits of their own they're unlikely to lower them. Meanwhile the Liberals are happy to lower the corp taxes again once our finances are turned around.<br /><br />In contrast - the friggin' NDP never met a tax they didn't like - especially when it's on businesses. They'd raise corporate taxes, and keep raising them.<br /><br />It's the difference between being fiscal responsible and acting like social-democratic automatons.<br /><br />I know you're probably too full of Harper's Kool-Aid to be objective, but do you see a hint of a difference now?Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-91282407743495094402011-04-25T11:11:38.565-04:002011-04-25T11:11:38.565-04:00Hey Steve, that kinda was my point with that post....Hey Steve, that kinda was my point with that post. That and the Libs have to stop taking the high-road, because Harper has confirmed Jacques Parizeau's words from almost 30 years ago... <br /><br />"<i><b>We are elected by idiots</b>. In Quebec, 40% are Separatists, and 40% are Federalists, and 20% don't know who is Prime Minister of Canada. And <b>it's that 20% that makes and breaks governments</b>.</i>"Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.com