tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post3434086162846061635..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Quebec Is Killing Liberal FortunesSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-90570306708531884302010-06-13T11:20:40.372-04:002010-06-13T11:20:40.372-04:00Conservative Party supporters are becoming unhinge...Conservative Party supporters are becoming unhinged on the subject of Quebec, and I don't think you are paying enough attention to this development - how often the theme of let's give Quebec the boot comes up for discussion on blogging tory blogs.<br /><br />It is starting to catch the attention of some of their few francophone blog supporters in Quebec - for example Tym Machine - in recent exchanges in his own blog and Iceman's blog, where the usual array of Quebec-haters told him to take a hike.<br /><br />The attitude is well summed up in a recent posting on Hunter's blog, where she argues:<br /><br />"As for the government going in the right direction? Quebec slants the numbers. They are so used to sucking at the governments teat that they just can't imagine standing up on their own. Good luck with separating, if you don't want to go, the rest of Canada wants you to leave! I suggest we hold a Canada wide referendum, because socialist Quebec will be booted out of Canada so fast, they won't know why they were complaining in the first place. Let the whining begin."<br /><br />Quite appropriate sentiments for supporters of the governing party.<br />As I have stated, we have not one, but two separatist parties in Canada's parliament, and one holds responsibility for governance, muzzles its MPs but allows its base to freely declare its intent.<br /><br />Some commenters on Adrian McNair's blog, in a similar discussion, are not content with giving Quebec the boot, the want to see Newfoundland gone as well.<br /><br />You should start making use of such material, particularly in your campaigning in Quebec, call attention to it and enquire of francophone Quebecers why they would give confidence to such people and identify with such perspective. If they wish to break up this country, they may as well vote Bloc.dupmarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17421029228908771593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-77128932751183766942010-06-10T22:23:16.518-04:002010-06-10T22:23:16.518-04:00Canadians - but Quebecois even more - like their i...Canadians - but Quebecois even more - like their intellectuals to know their own minds. Until Ignatieff finds a principle to stand on most of us will have very little respect for him. He is massively under-performing against his opponent and won't stand up to someone most of us dislike much more than we dislike him,. So besides having no principles which he is not willing to sacrifice in the name of peace in the home, he also has still not produced a vision for taking us in a direction that leads us away from all those ways currently taken by the demagogue who governs us. <br /><br />Give Quebecers a thinker who knows his own mind.Jerry Pragerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054428435443042500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-52213998038762877542010-06-10T21:14:49.250-04:002010-06-10T21:14:49.250-04:00Ok DL...let me see if I follow your logic.
Layton...Ok DL...let me see if I follow your logic.<br /><br />Layton is more popular than Harper or Ignatieff, but the fact that he only has 1 seat in Quebec is that he represents the wrong party. If he was the leader of the Liberal party they would win.<br />I don't think this popularity, especially between elections translates into true votes. Easy to like someone who will never be PM.<br /><br />I think you are proving Steve's initial point. Ignatieff still cannot resonate with the voters of Quebec, nor is his presence significant.<br /><br />Personally, I am not in favour of a combined party. I find that Layton consistently plays the hostage game, then flips. I actually think there is less of a platform for the NDP than they would want you to believe.<br />However, I am sure these meetings go on all the time within the highest ranks of these parties. I am not against it if it moves forward legislation which helps the Canadian people and keeps the Tories in check.<br /><br />I hope we have an election soon. Whether the LPC has enough seats to unseat Harper is not the issue...we need to present the issues to the people. There are just too many things that Harper has done and walked away from, we need to let the Canadian people decide if they think this is ok.weeblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591531825570909900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-2598416233439276462010-06-10T16:02:30.148-04:002010-06-10T16:02:30.148-04:00JimmE,
Yes, I hear you on the doors, and do it now...JimmE,<br />Yes, I hear you on the doors, and do it now and then. Problem is I am running in a riding the size of PEI, so events and media are the best way...again, if we just had our candidates doing that, we would be ahead of the game...EB-5 Dreamlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10596101071952145436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-67124882396040948102010-06-10T15:34:06.124-04:002010-06-10T15:34:06.124-04:00CK - 1988 Ed Broadbent had a 40% popularity rate u...CK - 1988 Ed Broadbent had a 40% popularity rate until and electection - he and the NDP plummeted in the polls. <br /><br />I remember Layton and his shenanigans when on Toronto Counsel. One time he was suspended because instead of attending council he was protesting with Eatons employees.<br /><br />Do you believe CK that if Jack Layton was PM and there was a labour dispute that may be ridiculous in demands by unions that he would do the right thing for taxpayers? I don't.RuralSandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552973218865121867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-53086115219189279392010-06-10T15:09:28.587-04:002010-06-10T15:09:28.587-04:00Cuz,
So yer solution is for Canada never to win a...Cuz,<br /><br />So yer solution is for Canada never to win an international team sport again? (I think we are talking Toronto Maple Leaf era the one & only time England won the world cup.)JimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-51797232535104262582010-06-10T12:59:20.938-04:002010-06-10T12:59:20.938-04:00Easy solution:
"A Liberal government would r...Easy solution:<br /><br />"A Liberal government would re-organize the Ministry of Sport so that Quebec fields its own hockey team at the Olympics and the WHC in the same way Scotland and Northern Ireland field their own soccer and rugby teams in the UK."<br /><br />Done.CuzBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14169446711811834115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-31400964020583732372010-06-10T12:53:45.347-04:002010-06-10T12:53:45.347-04:00I’m not that enamoured with the prospects of a mer...I’m not that enamoured with the prospects of a merged Lib+NDP party, but if it stifles the self-righteous indignation of militant dippers like DL …well I see one good reason for merger right there.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-59789236957806388262010-06-10T12:36:07.227-04:002010-06-10T12:36:07.227-04:00DL, didn't it ever dawn on you, that the lack ...DL, didn't it ever dawn on you, that the lack of viability is the chief reason Layton has always done well on this question? Best pm is the funniest one.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-68424566714568631582010-06-10T12:34:18.845-04:002010-06-10T12:34:18.845-04:00William,
While both your & Steve's points...William, <br />While both your & Steve's points are valid there is another issue that Candidates in Quebec & elsewhere need to examine, ie, Doors vs Air.Far too often the candidate wants the central party to do it all for them while the CANDIDATE cuts ribbons & attends political events.<br />At present, there are 3 things EVERY candidate should be doing & we would see Liberal numbers rise (the present Leader notwithstanding):<br />1-KNOCK on Doors Every single day. (Have someone go with, & take notes, never go out alone<br />2-Have some smart folks enter the info from the doors into a database.<br />3- Follow-up with the people you meet.<br />You may already be doing this, but doing doors now until a writ is the way to connect to voters.<br />I may suggest if the Leader set this kind of example it would go a long, long way in EVERY region, including la belle province.JimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-78683982131241751582010-06-10T12:13:21.476-04:002010-06-10T12:13:21.476-04:00The NDP as a party has to deal with not being seen...The NDP as a party has to deal with not being seen as "viable", but everytime Quebecers are asked who would make the best PM - its almost always Layton and we saw in the Angus Reid poll that if Layton led a Liberal Democratic party - he would sweep Quebec while the new party would flop if led by Ignatieff or Rae. Clearly Quebecers dislike SOME Toronto politicians and like others. Is this supposed to be a surprise??DLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11587165866597795302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-47247497153484352742010-06-10T11:03:11.759-04:002010-06-10T11:03:11.759-04:00Maybe Denny Coderre could reign in his self intere...Maybe Denny Coderre could reign in his self interest and start working for the partyol lib curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10567101343488768935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-66685821385769032012010-06-10T10:19:18.460-04:002010-06-10T10:19:18.460-04:00Yes, Quebecers love Layton so much they are at a w...Yes, Quebecers love Layton so much they are at a whopping 12% and have one lone seat. Pretty much Layton mania. It just proves approval levels for 4th party leaders are indicative of little.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-88098719897101050262010-06-10T09:58:22.737-04:002010-06-10T09:58:22.737-04:00"Honestly, Iggy is too Americanized for Quebe..."Honestly, Iggy is too Americanized for Quebec and he's from Toronto. As most may know by now, your garden variety French so-called soft nationalist resents leaders from Toronto"<br /><br />Jack Layton is much more identified with Toronto (he's actually lived there for the last 40 years compared to Iggy's last 4 years) than Iggy is and he's the most popular federal politician in Quebec.DLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11587165866597795302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-52437303331264437152010-06-10T09:34:43.077-04:002010-06-10T09:34:43.077-04:00It also does not help with Jean Charest..A Liberal...It also does not help with Jean Charest..A Liberal is a Liberal.....A Eliz.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11088834823455226692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-46987161788145419322010-06-10T09:22:58.604-04:002010-06-10T09:22:58.604-04:00CK, you are far too gloomy, sometimes.CK, you are far too gloomy, sometimes.Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-61432075065086502002010-06-10T08:05:32.992-04:002010-06-10T08:05:32.992-04:00Again, speaking as a candidate in QC... I am in t...Again, speaking as a candidate in QC... I am in the media every other week, presenting different platform pieces, attacking Cons and BQ positions, letters to the editor, consulting with community groups, attending events. The past 4 months I've hosted 5 MPs, in the next two and a half another 5 at least. <br /><br />What the hell else am I supposed to do???? <br /><br />Oh, wait, hope that other candidates do the same thing, which most aren't...<br /><br />Oh, and get the leader here more than once a year...EB-5 Dreamlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10596101071952145436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1444995419945014512010-06-10T08:00:42.227-04:002010-06-10T08:00:42.227-04:00Perhaps if Layton spent as much time or more attac...Perhaps if Layton spent as much time or more attacking Conservatives instead of the Liberals he might aid in getting rid of Harper.<br /><br />Mother/child and women's rights might be something to dwell on.RuralSandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552973218865121867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-70352926348023865112010-06-10T07:38:43.796-04:002010-06-10T07:38:43.796-04:00Honestly, Iggy is too Americanized for Quebec and ...Honestly, Iggy is too Americanized for Quebec and he's from Toronto. As most may know by now, your garden variety French so-called soft nationalist resents leaders from Toronto just as they resent folks who live in Westmount (rich Anglo area in Montreal). <br /><br />Plus, like many Harpercon cheerleaders, Quebecers are still holding fast to the sponsorhip scandal. They believe the yes side would have won had it not been for that.<br /><br />For the Liberals to have any kind of chance would require a new leader. Preferably somebody with a French sounding name (ok, Mulroney was an exception, but he's not from Montreal's west end neither; he's from one of the regions; small town Quebec). <br /><br />Between my coworkers, aquaintances and friends, they seem to like Domenic Leblanc; many (English speaking, naturally) like Justin Trudeau too and even said if he were leading, they would go back to contributing to the Liberal party.<br /><br />Trying to salvage Iggy in order to prevent Bob Rae from taking over is absurd. Both of them need to go and I don't get why this all has to wait until after the next election; it will be too little; too late then. Harper will have his majority and try getting rid of him after that. Won't be possible.CKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10762523064802036223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-22679043340382626762010-06-10T07:35:55.571-04:002010-06-10T07:35:55.571-04:00That's a good issue.
In a more general sense,...That's a good issue.<br /><br />In a more general sense, I see absolutely no Ignatieff presence in the province, nada, nothing. There is nothing happening to suggest anybody sees urgency in Quebec, no thrust, no major speeches, no attempt to get in the news. Since Coderre, I've seen little of consequence.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-61483126294238152792010-06-10T07:30:04.039-04:002010-06-10T07:30:04.039-04:00"If the people around Ignatieff really want t..."If the people around Ignatieff really want to strengthen his hand, then everyone should be focused on getting some bloody traction in Quebec."<br /><br />Got any ideas? For example, fighting for the gun registry to their last breath and, if it does get killed, blame Jack Layton.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.com