tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post3477364964478826415..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: "Our Legal Position Is Rock Solid" Stephen HarperSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-37335069046278967962008-07-24T12:26:00.000-04:002008-07-24T12:26:00.000-04:00Ha ha, Cliff is funny, He thinks I'm a liberal par...Ha ha, Cliff is funny, He thinks I'm a liberal partisan.<BR/><BR/>LOL...funny stuff man, keep it up!Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06941875334878452635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-4011237109021211062008-07-23T23:30:00.000-04:002008-07-23T23:30:00.000-04:00I can hardly wait to get back to Canada!!Steve, wh...I can hardly wait to get back to Canada!!<BR/>Steve, what I love about your blog is it is (mostly) respectful - even when folks who don't fully agree with you participate. It is really too bad when a Ditto Head partizan LURKER (sorry for the name calling) takes the discussion to a low point. <BR/>Cliff: (were you on CHEERS?) <BR/>You may not know this, so I shall be patient, but when one jumps to conclusions, & makes statements without supporting documentation these are not called FACTS (just 'cause you put them in Caps) or Romulans, ('cause they're evil) or even Conspiracies, these semi lliterate statements; even here in Colorado, are generally referred to as OPINIONS.<BR/>Cliff, (if that is REALLY is your name) you need to know this, Tim & Tina Horton look at the In-&-Out scandal & say: "You all suck!" <BR/>FACT (not some opinion I pulled out of my A$$) My Former-SOCRED-theReformParty-is-too-leftwing-Mother-in-Law in Calgary will not vote for STEVE in the next election. She tells me she will go to the polls & refuse her ballot. So tell that to MOTHER.<BR/>Gently now, Cliff, Gently! Generally if one changes the subject your point is lost. (I take it you're not as erudite as the folks who briefed the press about Ad-Scam) But, since you brought up AdScam as a defense you must wither the contrast.<BR/>AdScam: Crooks on the periphery of the Liberal Party taking advantage of the system for THEIR personal gain.<BR/>In-&-Out: Alleged - by trusted members of the Bureaucracy (the PM trusts them) that the Tory party organized a scheme to circumvent the election laws in place at the time of the election.<BR/>This is cheque fraud vs WATERGATE. Both wrong. Both illegal, one is large dollars, & small outcome. The other is smaller dollars, but POLITICALLY NEFARIOUS, & CUTS AT THE ROOTS OF OUR DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPALS & IS (if proven to be true) THE HEIGHT OF HYPOCRISY! Especially given the disingenuous nature of the Tory ad campaign at the time; oh, that BTW, this scheme (if proven) would have helped to purchase more of these ironic (at best) ad buys.<BR/>Cliff, you really need to go back to HQ & ask K.A.O.S.S. for more & better instructions. Better still, go back to high school (like, grade 10 and some stuff!) to learn about the nuance of discourse.JimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-41039934291220291612008-07-23T22:45:00.000-04:002008-07-23T22:45:00.000-04:00Cliff is making "wilson" look really good as a Con...Cliff is making "wilson" look really good as a Con troll... and that's not a compliment to Cliff when I say that.Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-33667928733600659782008-07-23T20:30:00.000-04:002008-07-23T20:30:00.000-04:00"Not to mention the FACT that the ad's associated ..."Not to mention the FACT that the ad's associated with AdScam ended effectively in 1999."<BR/><BR/>The sad part, they like to criticize about people focusing in on scandals coming to light NOW, yet they have no qualms pulling out ancient history at every turn. I don't blame them I suppose, after all their thrust was never about ideas, it was always about the "dirty Liberals", which explains their intellectual bankruptcy now.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-21739687978926541292008-07-23T20:18:00.000-04:002008-07-23T20:18:00.000-04:00Not to mention the FACT that the ad's associated w...Not to mention the FACT that the ad's associated with AdScam ended effectively in 1999.<BR/><BR/>That wand is becoming a bit fragile. Wave it around much more and it breaks apart.<BR/><BR/>The 'Idiots Ball' Steve. It's frankly amazing.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-21607618189856648542008-07-23T19:53:00.000-04:002008-07-23T19:53:00.000-04:00It just kills me that the REAL story here is who w...It just kills me that the REAL story here is who was at the raid, not what the raid was about or anything. It's so nonsensical, and this character wants to argue FACTS. We are talking about in and out, but the REAL story is adscam, and this guy is arguing on merits of the issue. Did he ever actually address anything, other than the "everbody does it" Pierre line? Not on FACT that is relevant to the accusations, which is the real kicker.<BR/><BR/>I tend to mock more and more now, because in all honestly its all a colossal bore. Who cares.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-10270846223110001892008-07-23T19:40:00.000-04:002008-07-23T19:40:00.000-04:00Okay, yes, he really does believe this junk.We're ...Okay, yes, he really does believe this junk.<BR/><BR/>We're lucky he votes for Harper. This is who votes for Harper. Astonishing. Harper wouldn't recognise a fact, in public, if it slapped him in the face.<BR/><BR/>Apparently cliff doesn't either.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-47958832710297946312008-07-23T19:10:00.000-04:002008-07-23T19:10:00.000-04:00"HARD to argue...so the name calling starts"Cliff,..."HARD to argue...so the name calling starts"<BR/><BR/>Cliff, you're not arguing anything, you're just throwing dirt, hoping something would stick. You're arguing like a idiot, not our fault for noticing. You're just lucky I don't have the IQ comment filter on today. Now shoo...Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-36633607376977838932008-07-23T19:02:00.000-04:002008-07-23T19:02:00.000-04:00You just gotta LOVE THE FACTS...HARD to argue...so...You just gotta LOVE THE FACTS...<BR/>HARD to argue...so the name calling starts...Liberalism at its bestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-53153141433968514522008-07-23T18:57:00.000-04:002008-07-23T18:57:00.000-04:00Now...I'm confident of the courts decision...but s...Now...I'm confident of the courts decision...but since you brought it up....sworn testimony at the Gomery inquiry pointed to the FACT the Liberals were rewarded with Judicial appointments as payoff for their Liberal work...<BR/>Clearly Elections Canada was aware of left leaning Justices when they went Judge shopping in Toronto....another FACT.<BR/>Now another question...who has appointed more Judges in this country the Jean Chretien...and what did he say about Gomery..."he claimed Gomery was biased against him" is that any for a former PM to act....oh well...I guess he wasn't one of his friendly appointees...anyway he did find a Liberal friendly judge on his appeal...<BR/>Now before making any outrageous claims...the Conservative party does want accountability of judges...they are in favour of a screening process...the Liberal Party is against both of these policies yet they are concerned about each and every appointee by the Conservatives.<BR/>At present, when a judge is appointed he is there until retirement regardless of his actions from the bench...there is no accountability...nor are the Liberals in favour of this accountability...now why is this...are they fearful of losing the predominent left leaning courts...why do they now complain so much about appointements...there is a reason...they are trying to maintain a Liberal bench....<BR/>AGAIN too many FACTS...but they are FACTS....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-47429019179288163652008-07-23T18:46:00.000-04:002008-07-23T18:46:00.000-04:00I think he does, but who knows. When people are t...I think he does, but who knows. When people are that delusional, it's a tough call. I guess it's the same thing we see on the Con site. <BR/><BR/>I know they aren't worth debating, but it's fun debunking nonsense once in a while.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-52129510190723180172008-07-23T18:34:00.000-04:002008-07-23T18:34:00.000-04:00I wonder if he actually thinks his arguments are p...I wonder if he actually thinks his arguments are persuasive?Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-23103969490884439562008-07-23T18:22:00.000-04:002008-07-23T18:22:00.000-04:00Wrong cliff, there were no shot's of the intial en...Wrong cliff, there were no shot's of the intial entry, only shot's of subsequent entries, borne out by the fact that the Con responding at the door knew who the guy was and let him in.<BR/><BR/>I do hope you have the courage to come back here or elsewhere when you guy's lose your case.<BR/><BR/>I won't expect you to say anything deeper than <I>the courts are liberal too</I>, but it will be worth a laugh.<BR/><BR/>Honestly, if this is who supports Harper, we have a definite advantage.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-68603697362492334232008-07-23T18:20:00.000-04:002008-07-23T18:20:00.000-04:00Yes Cliff... the "Corporate Elites" have nothing t...Yes Cliff... the "Corporate Elites" have nothing to do with the Conservative party of Canada whatsoever... jesus... I'm going to call up one of my pals at Election Canada... to get the facts... the facts on the ground... you talk to Steve's pal Mulroney... and get the facts... as well... and we will compare... our notes together... and see which facts... are indeed... facts...Blues Clairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08053624911945551511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-85088451082581700872008-07-23T18:09:00.000-04:002008-07-23T18:09:00.000-04:00Oh...how short your memory is...the Cameras were i...Oh...how short your memory is...the Cameras were in the building showing their entry...it was well publized...but you go the other way for partisan purposes...As the Conservatives have stated from the very beginning...the courts will decide the outcome and the FACTS are Rock Solid...<BR/>But, for some reason your pals at Elections Canada seem fearful of the court outcome...or is this simply a diversion for the Fall ELECTION in an effort to restrict Conservative spending now that the Corporate Elites are no longer able to finance the Liberal party....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-48701869313587092852008-07-23T18:04:00.000-04:002008-07-23T18:04:00.000-04:00Well Cliff, I guess the FACTS from Conservative.ca...Well Cliff, I guess the FACTS from Conservative.ca trump all. Proceed my friend.Blues Clairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08053624911945551511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-3129747640268288262008-07-23T18:03:00.000-04:002008-07-23T18:03:00.000-04:00the Real Fact is that the media was there waiting ...<I>the Real Fact is that the media was there waiting for them</I><BR/><BR/>Prove that. With all your facts, you've provided no proof.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-45286104134475247532008-07-23T17:57:00.000-04:002008-07-23T17:57:00.000-04:00Well Blue Clair...You have taken your so called Fa...Well Blue Clair...<BR/>You have taken your so called Fact from elections Canada...the Real Fact is that the media was there waiting for them...Now...tell me how did that happen...and wht the necessity of a media strategy to cover things up...SO...if you are going to use the word FACT...you should put something truthful after if...only then does it become a fact.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-54712229442591592292008-07-23T17:25:00.000-04:002008-07-23T17:25:00.000-04:00FACT: The RCMP and Elections Canada were at Conser...FACT: The <A HREF="http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/07/15/in-and-out-inside-out-liveblogging-the-ethics-committee/" REL="nofollow">RCMP and Elections Canada</A> were at Conservative HQ a full two hours before Conservative Staffers showed up and the Media didn't arrive until the search was well underway.<BR/><BR/>FACT: The Conservatives CANNOT run on ethics next election.<BR/><BR/>FACT: Stephen Harper ain't to happy about that.Blues Clairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08053624911945551511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-40164326459800267422008-07-23T15:42:00.000-04:002008-07-23T15:42:00.000-04:00FACT: Actually, I find Pierre quite amusing. Much...FACT: Actually, I find Pierre quite amusing. <BR/><BR/>Much more so than Cliff.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02229056745272175877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-36718736720579187432008-07-23T14:59:00.000-04:002008-07-23T14:59:00.000-04:00cliffJust because you keep making the same claims ...cliff<BR/><BR/>Just because you keep making the same claims of FACT, it doesn't make them any more persuasive. BTW, can you people think for yourselves, or must you constantly parrot the talking points. You read like a bad version of Pierre, and that's saying something, because he's a bad version of a human being.<BR/><BR/>Take care.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-83929437328504781872008-07-23T14:55:00.000-04:002008-07-23T14:55:00.000-04:00Gee...so much to talk about...as mentioned in a pr...Gee...so much to talk about...as mentioned in a previous comments...yes Harper promoted this man...but, he was initially a Liberal appointee...if Harper had passed him over, he would have been accused of partianship...and YES it was probably a mistake promoting this partisan liberal beaurocrat.<BR/>Note #2: The RCMP is still investigating Adscam...it is not up to Harper to do this NOR does he have the powers to do so...that Although the Ethics Committee could be looking into this, but the very Partisan Szabo has other fish to fry...none of which are relevent.<BR/>But...do keep in mind that white collar crime is very difficult to prove even though there is direct testimony under oath of millions being lost...it just that nobody seems to know where it is...nice cover up.<BR/>FACT: As far as the reistance from Elections Canada, lets put the facts on the table, clearly there is resistance...this raid happened (1) day before discoveries...co-incidental...that would be putting your head in the sand.<BR/>FACT: Rather the walk down the street for the court order...Elections Canada went Judge shopping in Toronto...presumably looking for a liberal friendly judge.<BR/>FACT: $500,000...why? If there position is that strong..let the court decide and decide quickly...It is pretty straight forward unless their in misconduct on behalf of Elections Canada....then I guess one resists.<BR/>FACT: If the facts are on their side...why the Media strategy from Elections Canada. This should be a non-partisan agency unconcerned about the media.<BR/>FACT: Why was the media and the Liberal party tipped off on the raid?<BR/><BR/>And finally...this is and never was about "discrediting" an instituition...this is about fairness...however, if these instituitions have become partisan because of past liberal meddling, it is imperative that they be weeded out.<BR/>One only has to look around the world to see many dysfunctional governments due to political interference. Surely the Gomery inquiry has taught us a lesson...where even the RCMP and the Judiciary were implicated.<BR/>That is not a true democracy...it may be a Liberal democracy..but it is not in the best interests of Canadians.<BR/>AGAIN THE FACTS TELL A DIFFERENT STORY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-17902764085690537912008-07-23T14:26:00.000-04:002008-07-23T14:26:00.000-04:00"Yrur man at Elections Canada"You mean Harper's ma..."Yrur man at Elections Canada"<BR/><BR/>You mean Harper's man, right?<BR/><BR/>“A strong and energetic manager with a proven background in operations and regulatory oversight, Marc Mayrand is particularly well-suited to take on this important position”, said the Prime Minister. “His significant qualifications and experience will benefit all Canadians. I am pleased that he has agreed to be nominated for this important role”, added the Prime Minister.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-43412549876690939892008-07-23T14:06:00.000-04:002008-07-23T14:06:00.000-04:00Hey Cliff,Harpo has been in power for, what 2+ yea...Hey Cliff,<BR/><BR/>Harpo has been in power for, what 2+ years now,... so why hasn't he launch an investigation in ADScam to reclaim all that money you guys keep Harpo-ing about? Seems like if you guys think there is more more money for the Liberal to pay back, you should go after it, instead of sitting on your collective arses and yammering about it.<BR/><BR/>Time to put up or shut up. Either Harpo takes the Liberal to task over AdScam and shows that they owe more money, or you guys stop squacking about it. <BR/><BR/>Harpo tried to bilk the Canadian Tax payer with his illegal "in and Out" plan and Elections Canada caught him on it.<BR/><BR/>There is no vendetta, that is pure BS from the Harpo noise machine.<BR/><BR/>Stop crying wolf, cause no believes you fools any moreZorpheoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09618889126077232837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1625757327027742892008-07-23T13:45:00.000-04:002008-07-23T13:45:00.000-04:00Cliff Yrur man at Elections Canada has spent over ...Cliff <I>Yrur man at Elections Canada has spent over $500,000 of taxpayer money to resist this and initiated a raid to evade his own direct discovery.</I><BR/><BR/>You're either being obtuse or you really haven't a clue what you're defeding.<BR/><BR/>No money was spent 'resisting'. The Con's took EC to court and you know, when that happens you have to respond. The money is being spent on EC defending their ruling.<BR/><BR/>Mayrand didn't conduct the raid, in fact he was uncomfortable with it's timing.<BR/><BR/>The raid was initiated by the Commissioner and is completely separate from the lawsuit the Con's brought.<BR/><BR/>And lastly, what you're bringing up is not addressing what Steve wrote about.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.com