tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post3553525988507579539..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: The Victim CardSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-87270343717494118192007-07-23T18:00:00.000-04:002007-07-23T18:00:00.000-04:00Steve - You're bang on. I'm not sure why Antonio ...Steve - You're bang on. I'm not sure why Antonio has his panties in such a knot about the Toronto police force. Their job is not to protect riotous Chilean soccer brats. If anyone should be apologizing, it's the Chilean soccer team.Red Canuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14856310732637244052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-280617137385382432007-07-23T17:36:00.000-04:002007-07-23T17:36:00.000-04:00"They are there to protect the players, not taser ..."They are there to protect the players, not taser them..."<BR/><BR/>Actually, they're there to protect the peace.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-65489012728013029122007-07-23T16:51:00.000-04:002007-07-23T16:51:00.000-04:00Im not saying it was racially motivatedbut the pol...Im not saying it was racially motivated<BR/><BR/>but the police screwed up<BR/><BR/>They are there to protect the players, not taser them...Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04018582124108708061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-84585536338513145112007-07-23T13:05:00.000-04:002007-07-23T13:05:00.000-04:00The accusations against the Toronto PD and Canada,...The accusations against the Toronto PD and Canada, in general, are completely disingenuous and cynical. The pushing, fighting and all around poor sportsmanship after the game is an unfortunate trend that exists with some South American soccer teams (although other continents have poor losers too). It appears that, in this tournament, Chile is accompanied by Uruguay, which tried to start a fight after they lost to the US. <I>Off the Post</I>, a blog dedicated to the U-20 World Cup in Canada, <A HREF="http://communities.canada.com/nationalpost/blogs/offthepost/archive/2007/07/11/fight-night.aspx" REL="nofollow">offers links to YouTube videos</A> of other similar incidents outside of Canada. <BR/><BR/>Sadly, the more Canada and the police plead their case, the worse it gets. Someone please tell them to shut up, lest they unwittingly give credence to these claims.Canadian Tar Heelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08296189877750355753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-84042811339921031392007-07-23T11:14:00.000-04:002007-07-23T11:14:00.000-04:00chilenoThanks for the perspective.chileno<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the perspective.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-52793810382849687012007-07-23T09:11:00.000-04:002007-07-23T09:11:00.000-04:00C'mon, they got the shaft in the game with Argenti...C'mon, they got the shaft in the game with Argentina - that's why they were after the referee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-66799631447028494012007-07-22T20:39:00.000-04:002007-07-22T20:39:00.000-04:00>>>Pinochet would have had this team erased off th...>>>Pinochet would have had this team erased off the face of the earth. <BR/><BR/>Except that Pinochet was a populist and Chile's <I>popular</I> soccer team, Colo-Colo, is eternally indebted to him for building them a stadium. Some of them took their hat of to the General when he departed from this earth. (Fucking Nazis). <BR/><BR/>Great post Steve! Now the world - or at least Canada - has got a taste of typical Chilean hypocrisy. I myself am a political ranter, and I'm constantly amazed at the <B>artless</B> hypocrisy that the Chileans get away with here in their own country. <BR/><BR/>That the president herself would weigh in - <I>before</I> a formal investigation is conducted - to spark up populism against Canada - just <I>days</I> after signing a free trade agreement which will probably facilitate the whoring out of Pascua Lama Gold to Canada - and to see that so many proud, self-righteous Chileans are hoodwinked by her cynicism. That said, it's good to see criticism in the Chilean blogosphere, but the papers and TV are happy to fire up Chilean nationalism and melodrama.<BR/>Canada, this is your opportunity to give the Orwellian Chilean government the international bitch-slapping it needs. <BR/><BR/>-<A HREF="http://c.hileno.com/2007/07/chile-canada-fifa-police-brutality.html" REL="nofollow">Chileno</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-24955318160403747272007-07-22T18:01:00.000-04:002007-07-22T18:01:00.000-04:00I keep telling my kids that live "isn't" fair As o...<I>I keep telling my kids that live "isn't" fair </I><BR/><BR/>As opposed to pre-taped?, or worse yet, dead? ;) Just teasing.<BR/><BR/>I cannot figure out why there isn't more comment coming from officials stating some of the facts mentioned in these comments.<BR/><BR/>I'm not a soccer fan, but even I've read about the chilean reputation for this kind of stuff.<BR/><BR/>Toronto has enough problems at the moment. The last thing we need is this. Soccer was becoming an incredibly popular sport, with tremendous support...which was good for the city. We don't need it de-railed and worse yet, we don't need the publicity of this affair to incite a bunch of goons next time around.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-70801993393238647832007-07-22T16:29:00.000-04:002007-07-22T16:29:00.000-04:00Steve,here, here!I keep telling my kids that live ...Steve,<BR/><BR/>here, here!<BR/><BR/>I keep telling my kids that live "isn't" fair so don't make yourself into a victim. <BR/><BR/>TommTommhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06072854015300215347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-19095547388742580992007-07-22T14:10:00.000-04:002007-07-22T14:10:00.000-04:00Maybe if the chilean team explain their same behav...Maybe if the chilean team explain their same behavior last year and the year before that then maybe we would have some true insight into the cause of this supposed "brawl".<BR/><BR/>Its a little hard to swallow that the police were excessive with this teams past behaviors. Seems more like they intervened in time.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17404234601709022496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-29716701327834728032007-07-22T13:29:00.000-04:002007-07-22T13:29:00.000-04:00The Chilean team supporters, including the ambassa...The Chilean team supporters, including the ambassador, keep saying 'they are only kids'... Kids that have been trained through a long life of soccer to carry machismo to a soap opera-like level. Every bump becomes a 'thump' and each foul a 'beating', unless of course it is handed out by the Chilean team, then it is part of the game. Not that Chile is the only practioners but that they have now let this esculate and now are demanding victim status, well, its a bit rich. Pinochet would have had this team erased off the face of the earth. I think, under the circumstances and prior to any investigation, that the OPP did a decent job.burlivespipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18048415779214466831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-16691430927519583772007-07-22T10:08:00.000-04:002007-07-22T10:08:00.000-04:00Apparently, there is a planned demonstration today...Apparently, there is a planned demonstration today, outside of the stadium, to protest the brutality.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-37951432969467598532007-07-22T10:04:00.000-04:002007-07-22T10:04:00.000-04:00You nailed it Steve.... Chilean National Soccer te...You nailed it Steve.... Chilean National Soccer teams have a reputation for being poor sports and for being violent. I was watch on tv the Canadian Men's National team play the Chileans in the Gold Cup back in June. When the Canadians got up big, the announcers said then that the Canadians needed to be careful because the Chileans were known for not loosing gracefully and were known for taking dirty shots when loosing. And that started to happen there.<BR/><BR/>One thing that is obvious to me here is that the Chileans think that this kind of poor sportsmanship is okay and can just be muffed off as "boys being boys". In Canada, we have different standards, which don't allow this kind of stuff.northwestern_ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16833632861345350726noreply@blogger.com