tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post3858458543225643158..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Double OuchSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-13906193145937659602008-10-13T22:57:00.000-04:002008-10-13T22:57:00.000-04:00ExactlyExactlyJimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-46245839297372001022008-10-13T20:07:00.000-04:002008-10-13T20:07:00.000-04:00J,Not sure what your point is, but I can bet it's ...J,<BR/><BR/>Not sure what your point is, but I can bet it's profound!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-77470232798020507232008-10-13T19:58:00.000-04:002008-10-13T19:58:00.000-04:00O,Prob is- the chameleon still gets eaten by the s...O,<BR/><BR/>Prob is- the chameleon still gets eaten by the snake.JimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-41141467034451620632008-10-13T19:51:00.000-04:002008-10-13T19:51:00.000-04:00Jime,It changes with the seasons and times of the ...Jime,<BR/><BR/>It changes with the seasons and times of the day, my friend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-69425065256204838872008-10-13T19:45:00.000-04:002008-10-13T19:45:00.000-04:00Olf,What colour is the sky in your world?Olf,<BR/><BR/>What colour is the sky in your world?JimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-21198557481418624512008-10-13T18:41:00.000-04:002008-10-13T18:41:00.000-04:00Wow, that polling station is in for some fun. Giv...Wow, that polling station is in for some fun. Give some leopard skin thongs a try, it's a real eye catcher.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-25921864318761916812008-10-13T18:38:00.000-04:002008-10-13T18:38:00.000-04:00Steve, I can't do it, although they were up there ...Steve, <BR/><BR/>I can't do it, although they were up there - I really did think May was impressive as hell this campaign. I'm going to spoil my ballot in a dramatic democratic protest. This protest might also involve nudity and a megaphone, but that all depends just how drunk I get.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-89948642860863760982008-10-13T18:35:00.000-04:002008-10-13T18:35:00.000-04:00Going Green are you?? ;)Going Green are you?? ;)Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-69514938160986033462008-10-13T18:34:00.000-04:002008-10-13T18:34:00.000-04:00Steve,Am not. But I do admit that acting "rich" i...Steve,<BR/><BR/>Am not. But I do admit that acting "rich" <I>is</I> one of my specialties - I just can't tolerate it so easily in others. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-63247754386698400422008-10-13T18:29:00.000-04:002008-10-13T18:29:00.000-04:00olafBut, you're going to vote for Harper, so RICH ...olaf<BR/><BR/>But, you're going to vote for Harper, so RICH is your speciality ;)Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-56211287607120463192008-10-13T18:11:00.000-04:002008-10-13T18:11:00.000-04:00Also, I should point out if the latest Parliament ...Also, I should point out if the latest Parliament is the "House that Jack built", it's also undoubtedly the "House that Stephane resolutely maintained". To have Liberals go on about how this Harpocalypse is all the NDPs fault is a little rich.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-58478535117085236192008-10-13T18:06:00.000-04:002008-10-13T18:06:00.000-04:00Steve,My pleasure - always happy to help prove a p...Steve,<BR/><BR/>My pleasure - always happy to help prove a point. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-68252718327068063912008-10-13T18:05:00.000-04:002008-10-13T18:05:00.000-04:00Scotian,Food deregulation started under Straussian...Scotian,<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=d54b1d6a-af03-49df-a3b0-2d3918647631" REL="nofollow">Food deregulation started under Straussian Liberals</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpposted/archive/2008/09/16/pm-harper-after-taking-away-40-year-mortgage-looks-to-give-out-750-to-new-homebuyers.aspx" REL="nofollow">House purchases require a minimum 5% down payment</A>, thereby removing zero-down mortgages from the market; and government-insured mortgages could have amortization periods of no more than 35 years, which all but killed the 40-year mortgage.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=2f35ab17-d214-4b4e-9a3c-9b2a9012a745" REL="nofollow">The government is no where close to being in deficit</A>. Also, "spending towards a deficit" from a period of +10B surpluses is, in other words, simply balancing the books and not asking Canadians to pay more in taxes than the government needs to enact its platform. And how the hell is INCREASING the taxes on Income Trusts somehow Straussian?<BR/><BR/>That said, I'm sure all your <I>other</I> examples of hard core AMERICAN CONSERVATISM at work have the benefit of at least being accurate. Although, I might argue that it takes more than being a certifiable control freak to be considered in anyway a staunch adherent to Leo Strauss.<BR/><BR/>Also, I'm not a "Harper supporter", as you suggest (check my endorsement). I just think that your old tirade could have been copied and pasted from anytime between 2004 and today, as if not a single thing has changed over a four year period. And I could bet you dollars to donuts the thesis won't change no matter what transpires in the next four years. It's boring and irrelevant, more than anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-211284646474527682008-10-13T18:01:00.000-04:002008-10-13T18:01:00.000-04:00I love Jack. I really, really do!Who else (with a ...I love Jack. I really, really do!<BR/>Who else (with a straight face) can talk about MAKE THE RICH PAY as the answer to our pending economic cataclysm? <BR/>Who talks Green yet acts blue? Is that not great?<BR/>Oh how can you not love a Power couple who - while making 6 figures each; in the pay of the city of Toronto- would have the nerve & gall to take-up subsidized housing space? Isn't that cute!<BR/>Oh do-nuth'n socialists is there nothing your can't mess up?<BR/>Oh, sorry, I forgot, - you can sure mess up this country! Yup you sure can mess the country up!<BR/><BR/>Steve, this is your party, but sheesh! Scotian shure has got some yarbles!<BR/><BR/>Scotian, you abide dude, you abide!JimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-87027258089982855512008-10-13T17:59:00.000-04:002008-10-13T17:59:00.000-04:00olafAnd, thank-you for the snark, it speaks to my ...olaf<BR/><BR/>And, thank-you for the snark, it speaks to my point of conservative glee.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-88120001907267902612008-10-13T17:58:00.000-04:002008-10-13T17:58:00.000-04:00Oh Scotian.We do not see enough of you, but when y...Oh Scotian.<BR/><BR/>We do not see enough of you, but when you show up you are on fire.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-19314477594643128192008-10-13T17:23:00.000-04:002008-10-13T17:23:00.000-04:00Why thank you Olaf, I guess his deregulationist ap...Why thank you Olaf, I guess his deregulationist approach to food safety, his attacks on the underlying independent officers of Parliament like the elections commissioner, his attacks on the nuclear safety regulator, his government's ability to blow surpluses and spend us towards deficit again, his creation of 40yr no down loans to increase the housing bubble, all these plus many others (as these were just off the top of my head) slipped past you without notice hmmm? Not to mention the way he tried to handle the Wheat Board for that matter. All of these ARE consistent with his ideological beliefs as a Straussian, as is his noble lie (like the income trust lie in the last election and his to this date unproven tax leakage which "forced" him to break that promise) approach to elections and governing, as well as his clear belief that he and only he is qualified to have opinions on governing this country.<BR/><BR/>Sorry Olaf, but he has shown his Straussian roots repeatedly in this minority, that you failed to see/understand this is your problem, not mine. Look at his inherent contempt for the democratic processes we have in this country, things like all candidate meetings, look at the way he has used the RCMP as a POLITICAL shield as well as a safety shield at his events, not to mention his handbook on how to disrupt Parliamentary committees from doing the will of the majority whenever it wasn't his side with the majority, and so forth, all of these are hallmarks of a Straussian way of looking at government.<BR/><BR/>So excuse me if I find your calling me an "old crank wailing on" nothing more than an ad hominem personal attack because you lack the ability to do so on substantive grounds. Your apparent inability to see reality when it comes to Harper and how he governs is one of the main reasons I find you a waste of time to debate, you think you are fair but you are not, and while you are certainly fair more civil and polite than most Harper supporters you are no less partisanly blind when it gets down to it as far as I am concerned.<BR/><BR/>BTW, you did notice Harper had a weak minority limiting how far he could go in pursuing his agenda, right? Even so he showed his Straussian roots many times despite that minority, which only further underscores how far he would go with them if he were ever to get a majority.Scotianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06284856315992405261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-25600337064000469342008-10-13T16:55:00.000-04:002008-10-13T16:55:00.000-04:00Steve,I thank you for this thread. Nothing warms ...Steve,<BR/><BR/>I thank you for this thread. Nothing warms the cockles of my cold conservative heart more than infighting amongst the true and righteous forces of progress. I'm thankful today for that, at least.<BR/><BR/>Scotian,<BR/><BR/>Your steadfast dedication to the "Harper scary AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE STRAUSSIAN CHENEY RUMSFELD AIIEEEEE!!!" line of attack is admirable. That fact that no shred of evidence in his 3 year governing record or in his platform exists to support this thesis does not seem to phase you one iota. That's what I like about you. You sound like an old crank wailing on at the Thanksgiving dinner table about some vast, outlandish conspiracy to take over the world or something. The rest of the table just tunes you out, and rightly so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-17938039868298877522008-10-13T16:51:00.000-04:002008-10-13T16:51:00.000-04:00Steve V:Of course s/he is for real, that particula...Steve V:<BR/><BR/>Of course s/he is for real, that particular dipper mentality loves living in the world of symbolism and abstraction, the real world is for fools like you and I. Ideologues are ideologues, right or left, they cannot operate in reality and have to project their fantasy world upon everyone else, exactly as this anonymous is doing. This is of course why the voting public has never trusted the NDP with government or even Official Opposition status. Yet they wonder why most Canadians never vote for them, imagine that...<BR/><BR/>Seriously dippers, the fact that you cannot recognize that the old paradigm of Liberal Tory same old story died with the PCPC and the birth of the Harper led CPC shows just how disconnected from reality you are. Even with the comparison of Harper's way of governing a minority with Martin's to contrast it with in this decade you still cannot see the vast differences between Liberal and CPC (I refuse to call them Tories, they aren't, not even close) government and which is more likely to go in the direction the NDP wants on any issue. What this shows is that Dippers like you are more concerned with holding grudges and beating the main electoral rival than they are in defending the principles and the nation against a clear and obvious threat to core Canadian values like Harper and his Straussian Calgary School approach to governing. So much for the party of principles first, that is as much a fantasy/fiction as the budget of our current Finance Minister.Scotianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06284856315992405261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-34432356400826763572008-10-13T16:05:00.000-04:002008-10-13T16:05:00.000-04:00"Come on Liberals - there is a niche for you in Ca..."Come on Liberals - there is a niche for you in Canadian politics - as the party of doctors and dentists!"<BR/><BR/>Are you for real?Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-64455500977581881782008-10-13T16:03:00.000-04:002008-10-13T16:03:00.000-04:00I don't think the Conservatives are down to their ...I don't think the Conservatives are down to their core vote. In 2004 they got 29% of the vote. In 2006 they got 36% of the vote. What's so difficult about pushing them back down to 2004 levels? There are plenty of Tories who name the Liberals as their second choice - why not go after them.<BR/><BR/>I think that after Dion quits the Liberals should get someone like Frank McKenna or John Manley to lead them and move to the right and offer tax cuts and small "c" conservative policies and try to win back the votes of all those business Liberals that Dion has driven to the Conservatives.<BR/><BR/>Too bad David Emerson became a Tory - he would have been the perfect choice.<BR/><BR/>Come on Liberals - there is a niche for you in Canadian politics - as the party of doctors and dentists!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-49397644553427180182008-10-13T15:53:00.000-04:002008-10-13T15:53:00.000-04:00anonThat's fine and dandy, but if you actually loo...anon<BR/><BR/>That's fine and dandy, but if you actually look at the polls, the Conservatives are below their 2006 total, a total which is pretty close to core support. That means, it amounts to banging your head against a wall, if you want to grow, you need to get it elsewhere. Half of NDP voters name the Liberals their second choice, so it's simple logic to try and poach that soft vote. The Libs benefitted from a divided right, that has evaporated, so the only chance is too solidify the center, center left. One of the great disappointments for me, I never bought Martin as a progressive, but Dion is that in spades.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-90554267035111681882008-10-13T15:48:00.000-04:002008-10-13T15:48:00.000-04:00I think the big mistake the Liberals have made in ...I think the big mistake the Liberals have made in this campaign is spending all their time in this failed attempt to unite the so-called left (as if the Liberals are the least bit leftwing to begin with).<BR/><BR/>The Liberal Party historically won elections in Canada by being the elite pro-business party that offered sound economic management. They might have won this election if they were led by a Bay St. lawyer or economist and they just stressed the old "what's good for GM is good for Canada" routine. It worked for them in the past.<BR/><BR/>They need to get a new CD Howe!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-28744797146647607082008-10-13T15:35:00.000-04:002008-10-13T15:35:00.000-04:00robertTruth hurts buddy...You're just lying to you...robert<BR/><BR/>Truth hurts buddy...You're just lying to yourself I guess.<BR/><BR/>gayle<BR/><BR/>And, only with an NDP mindset, will they declare victory, and still be fourth in seat total.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-41779259886242893342008-10-13T15:31:00.000-04:002008-10-13T15:31:00.000-04:00You've made a blogging career attacking the LibsWh...<I>You've made a blogging career attacking the Libs</I><BR/><BR/>Whatever. You've turned into a hopeless liar. Enjoy your defeat.Robert McClellandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11441059623685149683noreply@blogger.com