tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post4196829811932086567..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: PotentialSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-8524700851053352492008-06-10T20:46:00.000-04:002008-06-10T20:46:00.000-04:00Wake me up when it's 2009, polls right now are poi...Wake me up when it's 2009, polls right now are pointless. We tossed our best opportunity to take the government down. Harper is now in the driver's seat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-76370051810439048762008-06-10T20:10:00.000-04:002008-06-10T20:10:00.000-04:00There is also a lot of hostility between the leade...There is also a lot of hostility between the leadership of the NDP and the Liberals - I guess by your logic all NDP voters would rather crawl over a parking lot littered with broken glass than ever vote Liberal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-58453746762359458002008-06-10T19:03:00.000-04:002008-06-10T19:03:00.000-04:00anonGood NDP spin :)anon<BR/><BR/>Good NDP spin :)Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-38922685566621254582008-06-10T17:21:00.000-04:002008-06-10T17:21:00.000-04:00There may be animosity between the LEADERSHIP of t...There may be animosity between the LEADERSHIP of the Green Party and the NDP, but I suspect that about 98% of the people who say would vote Green or NDP in a poll - are totally oblivious to what Jack Layton and Elizabeth May think of each other personally.<BR/><BR/>We who read blogs and follow political gossip are a very, very, very, very small proportion of the population.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-27627973938305621132008-06-10T08:27:00.000-04:002008-06-10T08:27:00.000-04:00Dion could capture 2/3 of green votes if he would ...Dion could capture 2/3 of green votes if he would run on proportional representation in addition to tax shifting/carbon tax.<BR/><BR/>Or Greens would (in my opinion) be willing to extend the no compete deal to a more expanded list of ridings where we would be a spoiler if PR was on the table. Of course this would probably be a moot gesture unless Layton is willing come out and play.<BR/><BR/>The deal would not even have to be 1-1, don't compete agaist the greens in 9% of non alberta seats and we'd not compete in 15% of ridings NDP would win with no competition, and 35%of same for Liberals. <BR/><BR/>The loss of democratic choice in one election can more than be compensated for when PR allows true representation to all Canadian voters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-20282706285311717722008-06-09T23:29:00.000-04:002008-06-09T23:29:00.000-04:00"so we have no way of knowing how many greens woul..."so we have no way of knowing how many greens would choose the NDP if they had to go for their second choice."<BR/><BR/>Given the animosity, it's a more natural move to the Liberals, if anywhere (I don't mean to assume).Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-79645504052220486682008-06-09T23:24:00.000-04:002008-06-09T23:24:00.000-04:00burlYes, it's not like the Cons are offering a rea...burl<BR/><BR/>Yes, it's not like the Cons are offering a real alternative, it's just empty smears. The problem for the Cons, they can make a lot of noise, plenty of bluster, but they have no credibility on this file, so in a way it almost exposes them.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-57691310367812744122008-06-09T23:23:00.000-04:002008-06-09T23:23:00.000-04:00"so when you see that 2/3 (Greens) would vote Libe..."so when you see that 2/3 (Greens) would vote Liberal, it probably came from them in the first place."<BR/><BR/>Except that people were forced to only choose between the Liberals and Conservatives - so we have no way of knowing how many greens would choose the NDP if they had to go for their second choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-9055718253272819182008-06-09T23:17:00.000-04:002008-06-09T23:17:00.000-04:00So be it. If we're in a holding pattern, then its ...So be it. If we're in a holding pattern, then its imperative that the party leadership maintains its 'higher standards' approach to things, maybe tick it up a notch even. That talking splotch may stick where the CONs didn't expect it to; afterall, if you dissect their ad campaign against Dion's not-completed policy pronouncement, what you get is that Harper -- who has done nothing to alleviate rising gas prices nor its effect on lower income Canadians -- is protecting big oil.<BR/>And that's the message that a few Liberals with loud voices should be talking up.burlivespipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18048415779214466831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-80928880166024112462008-06-09T22:45:00.000-04:002008-06-09T22:45:00.000-04:00"The dipppers and the greeners still guarantee a C..."The dipppers and the greeners still guarantee a Con win. That's the bottom line. "<BR/><BR/>That's exactly right. The Liberals have to start making this argument, but the problem now, they don't look particularly credible trying to rally people behind them. If anything, I think people are wandering, looking for something else. At the moment the Liberals are captivating no one, it's just brand, habit.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-35365991669026217922008-06-09T22:40:00.000-04:002008-06-09T22:40:00.000-04:00The dipppers and the greeners still guarantee a Co...The dipppers and the greeners still guarantee a Con win. That's the bottom line. <BR/><BR/>Maybe the greeners care enough to find a way to engineer a Con defeat.<BR/><BR/>The dippers sure as fuck don't. They're still entertaining their delusions of grandeur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-71070028326679558292008-06-09T22:28:00.000-04:002008-06-09T22:28:00.000-04:00milesFair points. I would just say, there is no q...miles<BR/><BR/>Fair points. I would just say, there is no question that some Liberal leaning voters are currently looking elsewhere, namely a portion of the Greens. There isn't the historical vote there (outside of the core), so when you see that 2/3 would vote Liberal, it probably came from them in the first place.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-8780941526622362212008-06-09T22:19:00.000-04:002008-06-09T22:19:00.000-04:00Not that surprised. I always said if it were just...Not that surprised. I always said if it were just the Liberals and Tories on the ballot it would be a 55%/45% split in favour of the Liberals, which if you factor out the 19% who refused to answer that is more or less what the poll came out to. The main thing here is whether the Liberals can pull away some of those NDP and Green votes. Also the biggest swing voter pool is the Liberal-Tory switchers who this poll really says little about as any gains the Tories were to ever make (which they likely won't now) would come from the Liberals not NDP or Greens. And likewise there are many soft Tory supporters who could potentially go Liberal.Monkey Loves to Fighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122291567543761919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-30060544761403453682008-06-09T22:17:00.000-04:002008-06-09T22:17:00.000-04:00"Harper isn't a genius, Dion only makes him look l..."Harper isn't a genius, Dion only makes him look like one."<BR/><BR/>I smell really high voter turnout.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-55781915944339286582008-06-09T22:13:00.000-04:002008-06-09T22:13:00.000-04:00Ignatieff during QP: "When will the grease spot st...Ignatieff during QP: "When will the grease spot start telling the truth?" Great! Actually, the grease spot may be gagged as it seems Fuelcast Network, the company that airs ads at the pumps, is refusing because of its political content.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-51410010438027306172008-06-09T21:07:00.000-04:002008-06-09T21:07:00.000-04:00I have this fantasy where Dion has always had the ...I have this fantasy where Dion has always had the carbon tax policy fully fleshed out but held back the details until he saw how the Harperite deniers were going to attack it.<BR/><BR/>Then he released the details in order to completely defuse the attacks.<BR/><BR/>But alas that would require someone in Dion's entourage who didn't think tactics were a breath mint.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-43684558849578262472008-06-09T20:50:00.000-04:002008-06-09T20:50:00.000-04:00Would have been a nice momemtum boost if they pull...Would have been a nice momemtum boost if they pulled the trigger tonight, but alas they did not.liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-67842152010172126952008-06-09T20:48:00.000-04:002008-06-09T20:48:00.000-04:00It doesn't much matter, Dion reminds me of Lucien ...It doesn't much matter, Dion reminds me of Lucien Bouchard and the calling of a referendum in Quebec: he said he'd only call one if he had "winning conditions", and of course those never came. <BR/><BR/>Dion is a good policy guy with ZILCH political instincts - Harper isn't a genius, Dion only makes him look like one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-55310336919996041412008-06-09T20:22:00.000-04:002008-06-09T20:22:00.000-04:00It's not like anyone in OLO is reading this poll a...It's not like anyone in OLO is reading this poll anyway...although I sent it to them hours ago.James Curranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08064830948270604331noreply@blogger.com