tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post447083453983386523..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: FixedNews NorthSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-41590049591590245342010-06-20T03:24:53.825-04:002010-06-20T03:24:53.825-04:00Tof KW said...
Man oh man, I'm gone for a...Tof KW said...<br /><br /> <i> Man oh man, I'm gone for a day and Dead-Head Fred shows up to spread his butt-cheeks and dump hot steaming turds all over this thread.</i><br /><br /><br /> Oh, lovely. You kiss your mother with that mouth?<br /><br /> Not my fault that your ability to 'reason' gives us such gems as "Frank Graves can't be biased against Conservatives because he took money from them", is it? In the future, try doing what I do: engage your brain BEFORE putting your mouth in motion...Fred from BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12914558903316825761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-44748990497752481972010-06-20T03:12:34.892-04:002010-06-20T03:12:34.892-04:00Steve V said...
"And I say that as someo...Steve V said...<br /><br /> "And I say that as someone who has seen the inner workings of the CBC up close...have you?"<br /><br /> <i> That is the biggest load, I vividly recall the CBC leading the charge on sponsorship.</i><br /><br /><br /> And I don't. I remember them covering the story, sure...but what choice did they have? How was their coverage any better than any other network?<br /><br /><br /> <i>Such a joke really. You obviously don't know the inner workings of jack shit.</i><br /><br /> <br /> Wrong. I spent almost a year working in the CBC Vancouver building on two different occasions, so I got to know a lot of people and overheard a lot of conversations. Never seen so many 50+ year old men wearing shorts, sandals and ponytails in my life...and hopefully never will again...Fred from BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12914558903316825761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-29770804060489141072010-06-20T03:02:58.793-04:002010-06-20T03:02:58.793-04:00Tof KW said...
But on this I must reply...
"...Tof KW said...<br /><br /><i>But on this I must reply...<br />"And who exactly gets to decide which one speaks the truth and which one is "bullshit"? You?"<br /><br />Way to twist my words around nimrod - where exactly did I appoint myself as the CRTC sensor?<br /><br />Obviously your too head is too far up Harper’s ass to understand my point. </i><br /><br /><br /> (wow...hook, line and sinker...)<br /><br /> Your point came through just fine. It was of course laughable (as most of them are), but here it is again:<br /><br /><i>If they want to start one fine, so long as a completely biased anti-FOX News is created alongside it (in other words Canada's answer to MSNBC) to call them on their bullshit.</i><br /><br /><br /> Now let me explain your comment (since you obviously can't): what you said was that the new network, BEFORE YOU HAVE EVEN SEEN IT, will be spreading "bullshit". I merely pointed out how stupid your comment was.<br /><br /> (oh, and I have as much respect for Don Newman's opinion as you have for Kory Teneycke's. The difference is, Kory mops the floor with old Don...;)Fred from BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12914558903316825761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-48541149395378652752010-06-17T10:53:23.206-04:002010-06-17T10:53:23.206-04:00Man oh man, I'm gone for a day and Dead-Head F...Man oh man, I'm gone for a day and Dead-Head Fred shows up to spread his butt-cheeks and dump hot steaming turds all over this thread.<br /><br />First off, I shouldn't even bother to reply since Fred is most likely a Fed...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/05/23/social-media-government-monitoring.html" rel="nofollow">Bureaucrats monitor online forums</a><br /><br />But on this I must reply...<br /><i>"And who exactly gets to decide which one speaks the truth and which one is "bullshit"? You?"</i><br /><br />Way to twist my words around nimrod - where exactly did I appoint myself as the CRTC sensor?<br /><br />Obviously your too head is too far up Harper’s ass to understand my point. If a 24-7 Harper-Cheerleading News Network is allowed on basic cable from coast to coast, then the CRTC must also allow a fully biased anti-Reformatory channel when it applies; much like how MSNBC counters FOXnews down in the States. One form of propaganda for another; welcome to the new hyper-polarized state which KoryVisionTV will eventually lead us to. <br /><br />Don Newman was alluding to exactly this point yesterday on CBC’s P&P in his debate with Kory. What dies in the process is what is left of real journalism in this country. Greg Weston is a great example. He should be your idol for all the Liberals he’s skewed over the years over at Sun Media, but instead he’s in Kory’s doghouse now for unearthing the G8-G20 spending boondoggle. How dare he do his job and uncover the rape of the taxpayer’s wallets …he’s only allowed to investigate Liberal dirt.<br /><br />Mr Newman also made the point to Kory that he shouldn’t be surprised in the future when ‘the base’ begins to rise up and demand things of the Conservative Party of Canada which it really shouldn’t if it wishes to remain electable. Again look at the Teabaggers in the States and how they are dumping Republican heros like McCain (hell, an All-American hero who would have been a solid President, minus Palin of course – though much better circa 2000 vs Gore) because FOXNews has declared him too ‘liberal’. McCain a liberal …WTF???<br /><br />And about the CBC being Lib-biased and you being forced to pay for it… now matter how much you say something that doesn’t make it true. PROVE that the CBC is Liberal-Biased!!! How exactly??? Any good examples??? They were always favourable to Trudeau, Turner, Chrétien and Martin when they were in power &/or in opposition??? <br /><br />Yesterday’s Power & Politics show was the perfect example to show how wrong you are Fred. It is balanced and shows all sides of an argument. Just because they are critical of the government of the day does not mean it’s biased, it means journalists are doing their jobs. As long as they show the same criticism of the opposition (and they do, just ask Iggy) then they are neutral. KoryVision will not be …which makes it all bullshit.<br /><br />PS – about ‘paying’ for the CBC, I resent my taxes going to support such things as the Western Report, Western Standard and lately the National Post …but we don’t get to cherry-pick these things Fred.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-49353539191481247292010-06-17T00:51:11.857-04:002010-06-17T00:51:11.857-04:00Frankly: Taliban are also extreme right wing nutj...Frankly: Taliban are also extreme right wing nutjobs. They are conservative (hyper-conservative) religious zealots. They too - like American Cons tend to follow more "break-away" sects of the mainstream religious movements to which they belong... The parallels are amazing...WesternGrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06658358114507615351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-84143411147224320392010-06-16T18:56:45.871-04:002010-06-16T18:56:45.871-04:00"And I say that as someone who has seen the i..."And I say that as someone who has seen the inner workings of the CBC up close...have you?"<br /><br />That is the biggest load, I vividly recall the CBC leading the charge on sponsorship. Such a joke really. You obviously don't know the inner workings of jack shit.<br /><br /><br />BTW, CBC just had Kory on to discuss the network with Don Newman. That fact right there, proves fair and balanced, which is ironic because Kory would never do likewise.<br /><br />Enjoy your tinhat, you and the rest of the low rent BT's can do the "blame the media" circle jerk until eternity, never makes it true, just says lots of ignorance in this country. Reaffirmation, a beautiful thing. ZZZZZ.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-68742121749138813882010-06-16T01:22:56.106-04:002010-06-16T01:22:56.106-04:00Steve V said...
Since you're so smart, I ...Steve V said...<br /><br /> <i> Since you're so smart, I guess you read the McGill review, wherein they found a Conservative bias in both the 2004 and 2006 election, including disporportionate negative stories about the Liberals from, wait for it, The Toronto Star. </i><br /><br /><br /> Well, with all due respect, even the Red Star (aka: the official Voice of the Liberal Party) couldn't find anything praiseworthy in the Liberal leadership. They still don't, in fact. And this is NOT because they like Stephen Harper...far from it.<br /><br /> I'm sorry, Steve...but your party is in pretty bad shape right now as far as leadership goes. That's not a 'dig', it's just a fact (and as I've said before , it doesn't make me happy)...Fred from BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12914558903316825761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-56483282640777866422010-06-16T00:59:45.501-04:002010-06-16T00:59:45.501-04:00Big Winnie said...
I do not want to become mo...Big Winnie said...<br /><br /> I do not want to become more "americanized" by having a Con channel:<br /><br /><br /> So what exactly are you afraid of? That people will be "converted" to the Conservative viewpoint?<br /><br /> The amount of sheer spite, vindictiveness and borderline hatred I'm seeing on Liberal/NDP blogs over this issue is beginning to verge on hysteria. <br /><br /><br /> <br /> <i> Seriously, I am concerned because media is supposed to be unbiased </i><br /><br /><br /> WHAT??<br /><br /> You're kidding, right? Of course you are. You have to be.Fred from BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12914558903316825761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-39410493786455518532010-06-16T00:52:09.917-04:002010-06-16T00:52:09.917-04:00Tof KW said...
If they want to start one fine...Tof KW said...<br /><br /> <i> If they want to start one fine, so long as a completely biased anti-FOX News is created alongside it (in other words Canada's answer to MSNBC) to call them on their bullshit.</i><br /><br /><br /> And who exactly gets to decide which one speaks the truth and which one is "bullshit"? You?<br /><br /><br /> <i> And neither of them had better be placed on my basic cable package. </i><br /><br /><br /> Funny how I am forced to pay for the CBC even if I don't own a TV.<br /><br /><br /> <i>...then this should be fully paid for by those who specifically wish to subscribe. Let market forces decide its fate.</i><br /><br /><br /> The CBC as well? Okay, you've got my vote...where do I sign?Fred from BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12914558903316825761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-7721965598373971752010-06-16T00:46:12.128-04:002010-06-16T00:46:12.128-04:00Steve V said...
"CBC has been doing the ...Steve V said...<br /><br /> "CBC has been doing the liberal dirty work for years"<br /><br /> <i> Yes, just watching Tom Flanagan on CBC right now. The stupid, it BURNS.</i><br /><br /><br /> One or two token conservatives doesn't make the CBC unbiased any more than a token liberal makes Fox News unbiased. <br /><br /><br /> (unless you believe the Fox News <br />claims about being "fair and balanced"? No, I didn't think so...)<br /><br /><br /> Besides, they only started making an effort to appear unbiased fairly recently (probably when they realized that the Conservatives will be in government for a long time). Before that, CBC didn't even bother trying to appear as anything other than Liberal cheerleaders. And I say that as someone who has seen the inner workings of the CBC up close...have you?Fred from BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12914558903316825761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-53622907059478623362010-06-16T00:34:05.120-04:002010-06-16T00:34:05.120-04:00Tof KW said...
Are you referring to Frank Gra...Tof KW said...<br /><br /> <i> Are you referring to Frank Graves of EKOS who has received $12 million in federal government contracts, including two with the prime minister's department, the Privy Council Office, worth $131,440...<br /> FROM THE HARPER GOVERNMENT</i><br /><br /><br /> Really? Even if this is true (and from past experience, I can't just assume that you're telling the truth, sorry...), I'm fascinated by your reasoning here. So, because EKOS accepted money from the Conservatives, that proves that he's not a Liberal? Seriously? That's your argument?<br /><br /> If anything, that proves Stephen Harper to be much more magnanimous that you or anyone else here are willing to give him credit for; it says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about Frank Graves except that he likes money.<br /><br /> (not quite what you were going for, huh?)<br /><br /><br /><i> Oh ya, he donated to the Conservative Party of Canada too (admittedly also to the Liberals, to show his impartiality).</i><br /><br /> <br /> Umm, yeah...450 dollars to the Conservatives, 11 THOUSAND dollars to the Liberals, wasn't it? <br /><br /><br /> <i> As Steve said; the stupid - it burns!</i><br /><br /> Yes. You, in this case...Fred from BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12914558903316825761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-523250255472402172010-06-15T23:23:59.661-04:002010-06-15T23:23:59.661-04:00If you ask me this neo-conservative right wing tea...If you ask me this neo-conservative right wing tea party type is just a westernized version of the Taliban, same extreme drive to get rid of anyone who opposes them. The only difference between right wing extremist and the Taliban extremist is that one uses violence to enforce their beliefs and the other uses money to perpetuate their own goals. I had always thought that our media and more specifically our news was there to inform us to what was going on and educate us as to why it was happening. I think it’s a sad day when our news agencies objectives are to influence our perception of that news in order to enable their own beliefs and agendas. The only time I watch “Fox News” is when one of there clips ends up on a real news program usually because of some outlandish statement or comment made by them, or when a comic uses a clip to laugh at them. The world doesn’t need anymore of this crap, not now and not ever!Frankly Canadianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09939737123658813199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-29608189409296473402010-06-15T19:16:26.756-04:002010-06-15T19:16:26.756-04:00Scotian, you are right on the money.Scotian, you are right on the money.WesternGrithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06658358114507615351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-51586570847180678712010-06-15T16:59:46.056-04:002010-06-15T16:59:46.056-04:00"I am fine with someone setting up such a sta..."I am fine with someone setting up such a station so long as carrying it is not mandatory."<br /><br />Ditto. Love to see it go bankrupt :)Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-46615260312901445892010-06-15T15:36:19.410-04:002010-06-15T15:36:19.410-04:00Suddenly this makes that tirade of Kory's agai...Suddenly this makes that tirade of Kory's against Grave's look more like a deliberate planned action to not only further the smearing of the CBC (nothing new there) but also to poison the well in trying to point out how such a channel as this appears to be is a direct tool by the radical right in the culture war politics that the CPC/Harper has blatantly embraced for many years from the hardline right wing in the USA.<br /><br />I am fine with someone setting up such a station so long as carrying it is not mandatory. If there are enough people willing to pay for the service to survive on its own without aid then fine, but it should not be allowed to call itself a news network, but an infotainment network, because real news deals in facts first without any overt bias. This network clearly appears to be intended to have an overt bias and on that ground alone it disqualifies itself from being considered a news network. Real news networks have to apply the rules of journalistic integrity and propriety, and any overtly politically biased reporting is by definition unable of meeting those standards and therefore it follows that allowing them to call themselves news and journalists debases the meaning of those words, allows a fiction to mask itself as truth, and far from enriching the marketplace of ideas pollutes it, all to serve a political end that cannot be attained without having to tip the scales in such a blatant and offensive manner.<br /><br />BTW, I would remind people that the definition of L(l)iberal bias does not mean anything that does not praise the CPC and Harper, which is how it appears so many that claim Canada's media is so biased appear to believe it works. If anything the CPC and Harper should be receiving even more critical attention than they do, since they have formed the government for over four years now. Any governing party should be the main focus of critical reporting, they are after all the ones with the power of government and most deserving of such focus by definition. Those that cannot grasp this fact are too lost to partisanship and delusion to be worth talking to, only ridicule is warranted for such in my books.<br /><br />Steve V is correct, this is a war, one started by Harper and his supporters and backers many years ago. His actions both before becoming PM and after show this to be true, what has bothered me is how long it has taken so many to recognize this rather obvious fact. I have been saying so for years, it is not like Harper ever hide what his true ambitions were from the late 80s until he lost in 2004 and then suddenly realized he could never win being open about his true goals. This is a culture war Harper started, embraced, and has been waging against this nation for years both in opposition and as PM, and that needs to be dealt with in the only proper manner, by defeating him and his soulmates and never allowing this kind of divisiveness to become acceptable in our political discourse ever again. We have NEVER had as dysfunctional a Parliament and government as we have had under Harper, nor have we had as many dangerous new precedents for abuse of power either. This new channel is only the latest front in a long running war against the majority of Canadians and their beliefs.Scotianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06284856315992405261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-43294055467870809042010-06-15T14:08:23.126-04:002010-06-15T14:08:23.126-04:00Can't seem to find this poll anywhere. LOVE t...Can't seem to find this poll anywhere. LOVE to see a link.<br /><br />Since you're so smart, I guess you read the McGill review, wherein they found a Conservative bias in both the 2004 and 2006 election, including disporportionate negative stories about the Liberals from, wait for it, The Toronto Star. <br /><br />Just a conbot looking for rationalization so he can watch his propaganda on my dime.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-239539160519769302010-06-15T13:49:39.801-04:002010-06-15T13:49:39.801-04:00@Steve V - 90% of Canadians polled feel that Cana...@Steve V - 90% of Canadians polled feel that Canadian media is biased in some fashion. That NINE ZERO percent. This was an Angus Reid poll too, not one of those no-name ones. So if you don't think the media is biased then you are in a very small minority of people. The rest of us are smart enough to know bias when we see it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-87700429011186569052010-06-15T11:59:43.822-04:002010-06-15T11:59:43.822-04:00We need to harvest this burning Stupid. We could h...We need to harvest this burning Stupid. We could heat a few homes off of Tomm and Bubba alone.<br /><br />That's not even including Bubba's infamous lunch benefits.Gene Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438068218145410142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-17165780392539809922010-06-15T09:02:26.098-04:002010-06-15T09:02:26.098-04:00Bubba and Tomm have yet to see what a real liberal...Bubba and Tomm have yet to see what a real liberal-biased media outlet would look like. Watch MSNBC sometime before you bitch about the CBC. You know, our supposed 'lefty' network that employs such conservative commentators as Rex Murphy, Allan Gregg and Andrew Coyne.<br /><br />By the way Tom Flanagan has already dispelled the theory of the liberal-biased media, on CBC none the less. I may disagree with his politics, but unlike you two Harperbots, Flanagan calls it like it is. Too bad more Reformatories can't think for themselves.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-80267150233448530302010-06-15T08:21:35.626-04:002010-06-15T08:21:35.626-04:00Tomm, Bubba - prove that CBC is Liberal bias. Pro...Tomm, Bubba - prove that CBC is Liberal bias. Prove that media in general in Canada is Liberal bias. Check out all the newspapers - put Liberal bias in one column and Con bias in another. You will be shocked.<br /><br />CBC - the President is a Conservative supporter and was appointed by Harper.<br /><br />Good grief, these Con supporters are either very stupid or paid to pump out Harper's talking points.<br /><br />Waiting for the proof guys (Tomm and Bubba)RuralSandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552973218865121867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-76745202826437246562010-06-15T08:13:31.234-04:002010-06-15T08:13:31.234-04:00A corporatist media supports corporatism: it doesn...A corporatist media supports corporatism: it doesn't support liberalism or social democracy, in fact during the prorogue crisis it was obvious that until CAPP forced the corporate media into responding they weren't prepared to defend democracy. Tory democracy means letting the servants vote for their masters interests Fox, the master of malice and misinformation is not a voice for liberal or social democracy, in the States or here when it arrives, it will be malice for the masters, so much for the classless society.Jerry Pragerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054428435443042500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1799605933211113272010-06-15T07:16:21.977-04:002010-06-15T07:16:21.977-04:00Doyen: trouble is, most of corporate media is slan...Doyen: trouble is, most of corporate media is slanted to the right. We are hard pressed to find anything in the middle or unbiased; let alone to the left.<br /><br />Anyone who thinks the CBC is too Liberal obviously doesn't watch/listen it all that often.<br /><br />Now we're getting an infomercial Channel for the Harpercons.<br /><br />We need more balanced journalism which isn't to the right or left; not more Harpercon cheerleadersCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10762523064802036223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-59175998152829779082010-06-15T07:13:21.815-04:002010-06-15T07:13:21.815-04:00Tomm
Who had hired Kory? Again, you conbots are ...Tomm<br /><br />Who had hired Kory? Again, you conbots are like a bad stupid convention. <br /><br />Where to start? Good grief man.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-13729626684387073102010-06-15T07:03:18.783-04:002010-06-15T07:03:18.783-04:00Anybody who actually thinks we have a liberal medi...Anybody who actually thinks we have a liberal media bias at the moment is simply ignorant. What is simply pathetic, that people just ape imported talking points and yet the FACTS almost support the exact opposite. Get a clue, go outside of the low IQ con circle jerk. Embarrassing.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-35851906284637116442010-06-15T02:10:24.108-04:002010-06-15T02:10:24.108-04:00The real problem with the hyperbolic remarks in th...The real problem with the hyperbolic remarks in this post (and they are hyperbolic) is that they belie what is already going on right now. <br /><br />You don't think that Canadian media is biased already? I hate to break it to you, but an Angus Reid poll done in late 2008 found that 90% of respondents believe media outlets are biased, and 56% of reporters let their bias affect their reporting of that year's election. That's pretty sad, don't you think?<br /><br />The only thing that will change with this new network will be that propaganda will be delivered from two sides instead of one.<br /><br />Let people judge for themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com