tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post4483520854491132104..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Apocalypse Called OffSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-87538316431899460372007-06-21T01:43:00.000-04:002007-06-21T01:43:00.000-04:00Doffing the capJun 14th 2007From The Economist pri...Doffing the cap<BR/>Jun 14th 2007<BR/>From The Economist print edition<BR/><BR/>Tradable emissions permits are a popular, but inferior, way to tackle global warming<BR/><BR/>http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9337630<BR/><BR/>"A third advantage of carbon taxes is that they raise revenue. Governments can use this cash to reduce other inefficient taxes, thereby cutting the economic costs of carbon abatement. Or they can use the money to compensate those, such as the poor, who are hit disproportionately hard by higher fuel costs."<BR/><BR/>Ive always been a fan of green tax shifting.In_The_Centrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05406321842468179869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-57190352797258094592007-06-20T22:26:00.000-04:002007-06-20T22:26:00.000-04:00ottlibThat is what I am thinking too. If these re...ottlib<BR/><BR/>That is what I am thinking too. If these relatively miniscule costs are attached to a straight tax, then surely the impact is less with a budget, that re-invests.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-24055479760489187682007-06-20T22:25:00.000-04:002007-06-20T22:25:00.000-04:00"After all, I believe some of the more obscure pas..."After all, I believe some of the more obscure passages of the Book of Revelations indicates that Mr. Harper saying something nice about a Liberal is one of the signs of the end of days."<BR/><BR/>Might be time for some attack ads to get back to equilibrum.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-487048502932342182007-06-20T22:21:00.000-04:002007-06-20T22:21:00.000-04:00steve:It would seem to me that a $30/tonne carbon ...steve:<BR/><BR/>It would seem to me that a $30/tonne carbon budget would be more effective than a straight $50/tonne carbon tax.<BR/><BR/>As the report states such a tax would actually lead to an uptick in economic growth by 2015. However, I would expect that Mr. Dion's plan would bring about those benefits a little earlier as it introduces a double incentive for companies to invest in green technologies. The incentive of ending the need to pay into the carbon budget and the incentive to get what they pay in back asap.<BR/><BR/>So really Mr. Dion's plan could have the effect of having companies reduce their ghg emissions at a much cheaper cost than a straight carbon tax.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps, Mr. Dion and the Liberals should be selling their carbon budget idea in those terms. Most Canadian industries know that some kind of cost will eventually be associated with their ghg emissions so perhaps the Liberals should be selling their plan as the cheaper and more effective method for doing so.<BR/><BR/>Just a thought.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-2683201468592674122007-06-20T22:10:00.000-04:002007-06-20T22:10:00.000-04:00Whew!!I was getting worried there for awhile. Esp...Whew!!<BR/><BR/>I was getting worried there for awhile. Especially when Mr. Harper actually said nice things about Mr. Graham. After all, I believe some of the more obscure passages of the Book of Revelations indicates that Mr. Harper saying something nice about a Liberal is one of the signs of the end of days.<BR/><BR/>I have made my opinions clear on this topic before so I will not beat a dead horse. However, I will say that there is no reason why Canada cannot attempt to strike a balance between the needs of its economy and its Kyoto Protocol commitments.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-74867276172049305682007-06-20T22:05:00.000-04:002007-06-20T22:05:00.000-04:00Hi jamesDoesn't Dion start at $20, moving to $30 a...Hi james<BR/><BR/>Doesn't Dion start at $20, moving to $30 at 2011? It would be interesting if the Liberals used reports such as these to justify an increase. I'm not sure if I'm reading Jaccard correctly, but this is just a straight tax, as opposed to a carbon fund, which would seem to have less of an economic impact, since companies could draw on it.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-35979364469833411832007-06-20T21:24:00.000-04:002007-06-20T21:24:00.000-04:00Dion's plan is to put a price on carbon of roughly...Dion's plan is to put a price on carbon of roughly $30/tonne of GHG equivalent. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps with this new report, Dion might be inclined to raise that price to roughly $50/tonne. However, the reason Dion has put the price at around $30/tonne is because that is around the price of carbon equivalent on the market (Chicago or European market I can't remember) at the moment. <BR/><BR/>Have you read the Carbon Budget document yet?Dr. Tuxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00930678454023644407noreply@blogger.com