tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post4536709490453086092..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: New Liberal Buzzword: "Renewal"Steve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-70921215126178272772008-10-29T16:18:00.000-04:002008-10-29T16:18:00.000-04:00tuxThat's sort of what I mean, Dion had ideas, jus...tux<BR/><BR/>That's sort of what I mean, Dion had ideas, just nothing that really appealed to fundraising and re-engaging the grassroots by shifting party structure.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-28096657687414207762008-10-29T16:07:00.000-04:002008-10-29T16:07:00.000-04:00Dion was about renewal, just not the type of renew...Dion was about renewal, just not the type of renewal you're thinking of here. <BR/><BR/>Dion was for renewal in terms of how government approaches problems - through an approach that brings together environment, economics and social justice. Through greater emphasis on gender equality in the house, etc. <BR/><BR/>Dion didn't really have as much of a bold plan and innovative plan for party renewal, other than getting more women involved.<BR/><BR/>It would be nice to find a candidate who can put forward credible plans for both party and government renewal.Dr. Tuxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00930678454023644407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-71802490617913132602008-10-29T15:48:00.000-04:002008-10-29T15:48:00.000-04:00Michael ignatieff is 20 years older.. than Dominic...Michael ignatieff is 20 years older.. than Dominic Leblanc Ignatieff 20 years ago,he was closer to Obama. He did have charisma then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-50031877701672160452008-10-29T15:19:00.000-04:002008-10-29T15:19:00.000-04:00With all due respect to Dion, the first time I hea...With all due respect to Dion, the first time I heard anything genuinely passionate on renewal was his presser to announce the resignation. YES, Dion did a few things, but there was nothing that spoke to institutional change, in anyway that I recall. If someone can point me to any speeches Dion gave, I'm all ears, but apart from a few token gestures, I never saw what Kennedy desired come to fruition. The only excuses I can surmise, he did lack support in the ranks and the party was continually put on election readiness footing, which may have undercut any real thrust.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-82577558657938544262008-10-29T15:10:00.000-04:002008-10-29T15:10:00.000-04:00I think Susan hit the nail on the head. If Dion co...I think Susan hit the nail on the head. <BR/><BR/>If Dion could have had more support he clearly had the vision to which renewal could begun around. Now, we are stuck with a leadership race, no money, and probably a few years internal strife ahead of us. <BR/><BR/>I will be surprised if the next leader can hold on to as many seats as we've got now. Dion on the other hand would have been positioned as a leader in waiting (providing he could address some of his weaknesses that appeared during the last campaign).<BR/><BR/>There is not one possible leadership contender that excites me at all right now and few who could possibly drive me away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-40161712626199800132008-10-29T14:56:00.000-04:002008-10-29T14:56:00.000-04:00whoI agree with you on creativity, and I would use...who<BR/><BR/>I agree with you on creativity, and I would use the last campaign as an example. While we ran a capable, gaffe free campaign, it was pretty much cookie cutter stuff, predictable, not terribly innovative or displaying any capacity to think outside of the box. A little too conventional methinks, it's time to be bold and break new ground on many fronts.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-59151766766484902492008-10-29T13:50:00.000-04:002008-10-29T13:50:00.000-04:00That is one reason Liberal 308 was formed (or "10 ...That is one reason Liberal 308 was formed (or "10 + 3" as I prefer to think of it as) - to press the Liberal Party and/or it's potential leadership candidates to support wholesale structural and organizational reforms (and you have a standing invite to join the Facebook group, Steve :) )Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-8688694248576801622008-10-29T13:12:00.000-04:002008-10-29T13:12:00.000-04:00Great suggestions about what be contained in that ...Great suggestions about what be contained in that resume.<BR/><BR/>As a Liberal watcher, but not member, the renewal which most interests me is electoral reform - and not the Alternative Vote, which Dion favours. <BR/><BR/>Should a leadership candidate come forward with a policy that puts a citizen-driven process of electoral reform front and centre, and <I>with conviction</I>, then I'd listen.Chrystal Oceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00171002438761303983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-35608237401020320412008-10-29T13:08:00.000-04:002008-10-29T13:08:00.000-04:00MI is no Obama, far, far, far from it.MI is no Obama, far, far, far from it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-20548559767447466982008-10-29T12:14:00.000-04:002008-10-29T12:14:00.000-04:00An excellent, thought provoking entry, as always. ...An excellent, thought provoking entry, as always. You've articulated the "show, don't tell" rule of communication in your call for candidates to translate words into action. What the party really seems to be lacking is creativity and looking at problems and policy from many different angles that would allow for real renewal and some fresh ideas. Imagine if a candidate came out of the gate promising to run the cheapest campaign in Liberal history and challenging the others to spend less not more. Setting a target to raise as much if not more money for the party as they do for their own campaign, so every dollar for the campaign brings a dollar for the party war chest. I used these examples with some Liberal friends last night and we had fun brainstorming how you would run a campaign on as little money as possible, one idea was conducting virtual town halls to get a candidate seen by Liberals all over the country without spending gazillions on travel using modern technology of video conferencing, skype, etc. The theory being that we're in an economic down turn and we shouldn't be asking our membership to finance the Leadership race so instead an underdog candidate could "walk the walk" and create a really interesting campaign turning a negative into a positive. I'd be more inclined to dig deep in my depleted bank account for someone who showed initiative and creativity and also had showed they had respect for the limitations of my real world finances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-19384107641167246322008-10-29T11:45:00.001-04:002008-10-29T11:45:00.001-04:00I think Jennifer Smith hit on it. That's why MI is...I think Jennifer Smith hit on it. <BR/><BR/>That's why MI is so appealing. Much like Obama he can deliver on all fronts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-91544414040012988952008-10-29T11:45:00.000-04:002008-10-29T11:45:00.000-04:00I think Jennifer Smith hit on it. That's why MI is...I think Jennifer Smith hit on it. <BR/><BR/>That's why MI is so appealing. Much like Obama he can deliver on all fronts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-86915345478067994862008-10-29T11:37:00.000-04:002008-10-29T11:37:00.000-04:00I would argue that money vs. policy is a chicken-a...I would argue that money vs. policy is a chicken-and-egg dilemma. Yes, you need money to sell your policies, but you also need bold ideas and/or personalities to inspire the grassroots to open their wallets. One without the other is bound to fail.<BR/><BR/>The Obama campaign isn't raking in the dough and energizing the grassroots just because they have a flashy website and a high tech database. A lot of it is Obama himself, but a lot of it is that millions of people are finally convinced that their money, their volunteer efforts and their vote will actually make a difference.<BR/><BR/>Repackaging the same old safe, prudent Liberal Party just isn't going to cut it. Fortune favours the bold, but only if the whole party apparatus gets behind it.Jennifer Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14610902519752808810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-46515662878725458462008-10-29T11:13:00.000-04:002008-10-29T11:13:00.000-04:00Dion was about renewal - he started with women and...Dion was about renewal - he started with women and a new focus on governing for people and the planet and a whole new approach to economic development, but the old guard would have not of it. And when he tried to freshen up some old guard ridings, they ran whining to the press. We need a system that makes the local ridings more accountable to their members and to the party for delivering the goods, and a mechanism for cleaning house if they don't. And they need to have a means of censuring the renegade idiots like Heard. I am not saying autocratic but accountable all the way up.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12925229206558848754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-34890987874779998182008-10-29T11:04:00.000-04:002008-10-29T11:04:00.000-04:00Iggy will be a disaster for the Liberals. Where w...Iggy will be a disaster for the Liberals. Where was his "renewal" platform last time??<BR/>It is a sad time to be a Liberal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-65026591477255751372008-10-29T10:27:00.000-04:002008-10-29T10:27:00.000-04:00Correction the new Liberal buzzword is "Iggy". Ren...Correction the new Liberal buzzword is "Iggy". Renewal is tied into that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com