tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post4595162550556024894..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Off The Mat?Steve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-40765779313038146402008-09-29T10:56:00.000-04:002008-09-29T10:56:00.000-04:00anonI guess all the economists panning the NDP pla...anon<BR/><BR/>I guess all the economists panning the NDP plan are Liberal stooges. The funniest part, I heard Layton using the NDP's Doer as an example of practical fiscal prudence. What did Doer do with corporate taxes???Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-31310565966601133252008-09-29T09:29:00.000-04:002008-09-29T09:29:00.000-04:00The NDP platform costs 41 billion dollars over fiv...The NDP platform costs 41 billion dollars over five years, the Liberal platform is costed at about NINETY BILLION dollars. We cannot afford this insane Liberal fiscal irresponsibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-22102869491798660662008-09-29T01:48:00.000-04:002008-09-29T01:48:00.000-04:00"I hate lowering corporate taxes too, but other co..."I hate lowering corporate taxes too, but other countries don't, so it's naive to act like Canada is an economic island. A modest bump, okay, but Dion is right to say Layton is out to lunch on the 21st century economy."<BR/><BR/>Agreed, Layton is completely out to lunch here. I think that the best move forward for Dion here would have been to say that he would keep the Corporate tax cuts, but implement them over a longer time frame (maybe twice as long) to ensure that we do not go back into deficit and pay down more debt. Deficit is where the Conservatives are heading fast. Deficit is where the NDP would be heading even faster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-65645775033262132552008-09-29T00:43:00.000-04:002008-09-29T00:43:00.000-04:00Steve v, you see these new poll numbers from Quebe...Steve v, you see these new poll numbers from <A HREF="http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/09/28/a-quebec-battlefield-and-its-not-the-plains-of-abraham/" REL="nofollow">Quebec</A>?<BR/><BR/>Bloc at 33%, <BR/>Conservatives 26%<BR/>Liberals 23%, <BR/>NDP 12% <BR/>Greens 5%<BR/><BR/>I thought Thomas Mucliar said the NDP were going to get 12 seats in Quebec this election. Maybe I heard him wrong.Blues Clairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08053624911945551511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-73875180055725471382008-09-29T00:01:00.000-04:002008-09-29T00:01:00.000-04:00anonJack's made a career out of attacking Liberals...anon<BR/><BR/>Jack's made a career out of attacking Liberals, don't cry foul now. It's about freaking time, and I'll add the platform doesn't seem to be passing the sniff test. I think we might be entering the reality check phase of the campaign.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-24875954381647505472008-09-28T22:17:00.000-04:002008-09-28T22:17:00.000-04:00Stephen HarperFat, hostile, narrowly visioned.Not ...Stephen Harper<BR/>Fat, hostile, narrowly visioned.<BR/>Not a leader.<BR/><BR/>Jack Layton<BR/>Short, smug, grandly delusional.<BR/>Definitely, not a leader.<BR/><BR/>Stéphane Dion<BR/>Fit, amicable, confidently assured.<BR/>Leader.<BR/><BR/>It's as plain as the nose on our face.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12058734544373976550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-19610824239405516782008-09-28T21:45:00.000-04:002008-09-28T21:45:00.000-04:00So, as long as its good for the Liberal party to a...So, as long as its good for the Liberal party to attack the NDP its a-ok. I don't remember Liberals being so charitable when Layton attacked Liberal corruption in 2006.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-33096575544315785052008-09-28T20:40:00.000-04:002008-09-28T20:40:00.000-04:00anonThat's just not true. If you look at the Con ...anon<BR/><BR/>That's just not true. If you look at the Con vote, especially the regionals, it's not up considerably when the parties were deadlocked. It's the Libs that are down, and it's because their bleeding to the NDP and Greens. Look, if everyone is going to give Jack a free ride, namely on corporate taxes, which will drive business offshore, then somebody has to point it out. I hate lowering corporate taxes too, but other countries don't, so it's naive to act like Canada is an economic island. A modest bump, okay, but Dion is right to say Layton is out to lunch on the 21st century economy. We don't make the rules anymore, that's just the reality, sink or swim. Dion needs to bring back those soft supports, don't forget the NDP was tied for fourth with the Greens two weeks ago in Ontario, their support essentially has doubled. Today he went after urban women and the NDP, which is a simple recognition of what their internals are telling them, that is where they can grow.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-54739869392725769922008-09-28T20:31:00.000-04:002008-09-28T20:31:00.000-04:00How dare Dion waste any timer attacking the NDP - ...How dare Dion waste any timer attacking the NDP - all he is doing is helping Harper when he does that. Why doesn't he spend 100% of his time only attacking the Conservatives. It is unforgiveable for the leader of the opposition putting out the message that he is more scared of the 4th party than he is of the government that he supposedly wants to replace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-58916886415203907692008-09-28T20:29:00.000-04:002008-09-28T20:29:00.000-04:00jimmeThat's good to hear, the stuff on the ground ...jimme<BR/><BR/>That's good to hear, the stuff on the ground is the most important.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-4950017664480295422008-09-28T20:28:00.000-04:002008-09-28T20:28:00.000-04:00southernI think it's simply because these poll res...southern<BR/><BR/>I think it's simply because these poll results come at the end of a campaign week. The first week it was gaffe city, the second it was Ritz, this week it might be Dion. Things die down over the weekend, the coverage is less intense.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-76701460970195019862008-09-28T20:17:00.000-04:002008-09-28T20:17:00.000-04:00... I know 'noth'n 'bout what is what in the "res...... I know 'noth'n 'bout what is what in the "rest of Canada" but we're close to re-taking this riding. 8-)JimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-35352324354795305672008-09-28T20:07:00.000-04:002008-09-28T20:07:00.000-04:00I'm not arguing why the polls show a drop in Tory ...I'm not arguing why the polls show a drop in Tory support but polls that come out (I didn't say performed) on weekends tend to show a drop in Tory support. Again I'm not sure why, but look at the Nanos polling tred, it looks like three arcs.<BR/><BR/>There was a dip on the 14th, the 20-21st and now the 27th. <BR/><BR/>Moreover, I did a compilation of the polls and last week I said the same thing to Raphael, that it seems like the Tories keep dipping down on the weekends (although I specifically said Sundays) and then recovering during the week.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556765364730568391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-6466091233518598912008-09-28T19:38:00.000-04:002008-09-28T19:38:00.000-04:00Just to be clear, people will note the question ma...Just to be clear, people will note the question mark on the title, lest anyone think I'm arguing a firm trend.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-35891864567989413842008-09-28T18:29:00.000-04:002008-09-28T18:29:00.000-04:00The important point here, regardless of the quotid...The important point here, regardless of the quotidian ebb and flow of polls is that the majority of voters ("anybody but Harper") are not buying into Harper's dangerously simplistic ideology of deregulation. <BR/><BR/>The timing could not be better as the gross failure of this economic "hands-off" approach is on display for the whole world to see, south of our border :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-7044823912007253622008-09-28T18:24:00.000-04:002008-09-28T18:24:00.000-04:00Here's what I'm seeing at the doors in my ...Here's what I'm seeing at the doors in my riding: <BR/>(a 905 that went Tory last time)<BR/> We've run out of large signs (some leftover last time) we've more sign locations 10 days ago, than at the end of the last election. There are more volunteers & we have more money. Canvassing with the candidate last week - we collected two cheques! from non-member voters at their doors (I've never seen that, not in 35+ years of doing this!). I'm getting this overwhelming sentiment from the undecided: "well, I don't want Harper back". This lets me leave them with the stats of the last election, & the best way to stop Harper is voting for my candidate. This is not my first Roedo, we just need a few more breaks with the national campaign and we will win this riding. <BR/>Oh, & I just wonder, has Mr K. ever knocked on a door in his life? I know I've knocked on doors for Ben Chin in his riding in a by election; wonder if he's knocking on doors for his pal what's her name? who parachuted into Garth Turners riding?<BR/>Just asking.JimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-32716163575393513682008-09-28T18:15:00.000-04:002008-09-28T18:15:00.000-04:00southernThat's a fine false argument and all, but ...southern<BR/><BR/>That's a fine false argument and all, but THREE of the days on this poll are weekdays. The sun shines...Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-37444054816725626792008-09-28T18:11:00.000-04:002008-09-28T18:11:00.000-04:00But polls released on the weekends have always ten...<I>But polls released on the weekends have always tended to show a Grit bump from the other days of the week. </I><BR/><BR/>That's because us conservatives are all out hunting and stuff on the weekends. We love killing animals!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-32313147647443388932008-09-28T17:38:00.000-04:002008-09-28T17:38:00.000-04:00Since I don't watch TV, a tip as to when the debat...Since I don't watch TV, a tip as to when the debates are would be appreciated.<BR/><BR/>-BlackstarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-51392927388091451552008-09-28T17:34:00.000-04:002008-09-28T17:34:00.000-04:00steve: Not trying to rain on your parade, it is de...steve: <BR/><BR/>Not trying to rain on your parade, it is definitely possible that the Grits are seeing a kind of resurgence now that things got really bad. (Maybe the thought of the Grits being obliterated brought some Grit-leaners over)<BR/><BR/>But polls released on the weekends have always tended to show a Grit bump from the other days of the week. I'm wondering if there's some statistically significant effect on the weekends and polling.<BR/><BR/>Check it out though, Nanos showed the race tightening last weekend as well. And the weekend before that too. <BR/><BR/>After the election is over I'd like to analyze the trends depending on what hte final result is.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556765364730568391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-71579954914459908302008-09-28T17:22:00.000-04:002008-09-28T17:22:00.000-04:00My prediction is still Con - 140, Lib - 90. Not th...My prediction is still Con - 140, Lib - 90. Not the desired result, but a not a total collapse either. Hopefully, all this nonsense about the Dips forming official opposition will start to go away. <BR/><BR/>The idea behind this election was to make it a referendum on Harper, instead it became a referendum on Dion. Dion needs to start focusing on Layton and Harper hard this week and take some of the soft Green vote. I believe Dion will surprise in the debate this week, as he killed in the leadership debates. Remember that Dion and his father would debate nightly on various political topics when he was growing up, so he has been doing this his whole life. Finally, I think it is time to stop having Rae and Iggy shadow him and have them go off elsewhere to shore up support. It was an idea I supported, but the MSM wants to keep playing up the overshadowing thing, so best to dispatch with this strategy now. Maybe the ol, Canadian underdog factor will also start to play into Dion's favour as well. <BR/><BR/>In any event, this is the make or break week in my opinion, so lets pray for good trend lines;)liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-35859435446880947432008-09-28T16:55:00.000-04:002008-09-28T16:55:00.000-04:00I think it is also worth noting that the undecided...I think it is also worth noting that the undecideds have ticked upwards in every single region.<BR/><BR/>Not to mention the fact that the absolute number (ie 25%) is significantly higher in Quebec than anywhere else.<BR/><BR/>.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-80154926057424908652008-09-28T16:12:00.000-04:002008-09-28T16:12:00.000-04:00"Isn't that the cookie cutter way?"For a politicia..."Isn't that the cookie cutter way?"<BR/><BR/>For a politician who was arguably much better in town halls unscripted than in making policy announcements??? Chretien avoids the teleprompter knowing that it undercuts his "little guy" approach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-77814543375062870622008-09-28T16:09:00.000-04:002008-09-28T16:09:00.000-04:00gayleThat's a good point, people only really start...gayle<BR/><BR/>That's a good point, people only really start to engage in the later days of a campaign. In some instances, the media too!Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-56839271925919153792008-09-28T16:05:00.001-04:002008-09-28T16:05:00.001-04:00Another reason is that people are starting to pay ...Another reason is that people are starting to pay attention now, as we move closer to the debates. <BR/><BR/>The LPC are making a strong case for voting for them instead of the NDP to stop Harper.<BR/><BR/>Edmonton Journal had an article today about who to vote for in two ridings in order to stop Harper.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.com