tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post4844988557973043172..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Dion And The GSTSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-61739220382794866142007-11-07T10:31:00.000-05:002007-11-07T10:31:00.000-05:00All he has to say is that he will apply the %2 cut...All he has to say is that he will apply the %2 cut to the income tax. Issue resolved. <BR/><BR/>Unless that's not what he's going to do..me dere roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03278802993888928030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-72733910039529017042007-11-07T10:00:00.000-05:002007-11-07T10:00:00.000-05:00A lot of people (Weston specifically) seem to be n...A lot of people (Weston specifically) seem to be neglecting that fact that the economists feel that corporate taxes and the higher bracket marginal rates are what should be cut. Cutting only the lowest bracket rate has positive economic effects only for people earning up to about $38,000. Beyond that, it is just a fixed reduction with no marginal effects. This is nothing to sneeze at, but if Dion came up with a specific, costed, proposal to lower rates in all brackets, then he would really have a serious policy stick to beat the Conservatives with. I live in hope.MarkChhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09831808969940799237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-38237142290009703202007-11-07T04:13:00.000-05:002007-11-07T04:13:00.000-05:00In the context of how the CONs framed their own ra...In the context of how the CONs framed their own raising of the personal income tax the first time around, I see another opportunity.<BR/>Harper essentially denied that he did it, the media mentioned it once or twice and moved on -- he had to pay for the first gst cut somehow, they summised.<BR/>Well, its 2008 now. The second gst cut is garnering even less enthusiasm than the first. Dion must put his principles on the line here -- pointing out that six or seven successive Liberal budgets introduced tax cuts and that the only tax INCREASE in the past 6-7 years came from Harper.<BR/>Then let the economists and newspapers' voices be a choir of dissent on the gst cut. And point out how a Liberal gov't would use the money from the gst cut and where it could go -- childhood poverty, a rebateable ghg tax for industry, r&d in environmental science, a boost of the child allowance etc.<BR/>Put Harper on the defensive, fire away at the castaway from Goonies' underbelly. With so many Mike Harris remnants playing leading roles in his one-person theatre show, the economy is definitely a potential weak link in his armour -- especially in Ontario. The gov't is rolling in money, but underscore how foolishly they've spent it.<BR/>Then watch the real Tories and red Tories start mumbling...burlivespipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18048415779214466831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-89236317890790397132007-11-06T21:43:00.000-05:002007-11-06T21:43:00.000-05:00I like the idea Steve and because I'm visual, I'd ...I like the idea Steve and because I'm visual, I'd present the con ad in the House, on a piece of tracing paper, ie: flimsy. The counter attack, showing what what economists say? Stacks and stacks of paper. Have Lib MP's walk down the aisle to place them beside Dion. Okay, a bit dramatic, but there is a point to be had here.<BR/><BR/>You could actually do that with all the points ottlib raised.<BR/><BR/>Not quite kazoo's and not really holding things up.<BR/><BR/>I understand ottlib's sigh, but I'm not ready to give up. <BR/><BR/>I don't think you are either ottlib, for the record.<BR/><BR/>There are a couple of ad's on the Lib website. They are good if you consider the audience outside of "we who follow everything".<BR/><BR/>Compare them to the Con ad's. Kindergarten vs adults? I'd love to see that model played back to back.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, great post and good idea Steve.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-62224343508197658932007-11-06T20:23:00.000-05:002007-11-06T20:23:00.000-05:00grumpy:If Liberals had not been giving the media a...grumpy:<BR/><BR/>If Liberals had not been giving the media a big fat juicy "Party disunity" story for the last 6-8 months they probably would have began looking more closely at what you describe.<BR/><BR/>The Liberal infighting has been a distraction for alot of people including the media and the Canadians that use that media to get their news.<BR/><BR/>The Dion is not a leader narrative began with the Conservatives who were desperately looking for a way to counter his bona fides on the environment and his surprise win at the Liberal convention.<BR/><BR/>They must be tickled pink that the narrative took off and they must be quietly thanking Liberal supporters for buying into the narrative giving it credibility and a life of its own. <BR/><BR/>Liberals have given Mr. Harper and the Conservatives a real gift.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-35726381567276926922007-11-06T20:21:00.000-05:002007-11-06T20:21:00.000-05:00grumpyYou sum up the circumstance well.ottlibI hea...grumpy<BR/><BR/>You sum up the circumstance well.<BR/><BR/>ottlib<BR/><BR/>I hear you, believe me. The only reason I propose this now, Harper has no backing, from any corner. The economists are completely onside, and now we have the media joining the chorus. I'm idealistic here, but the alternative is too simply let the Cons frame Dion, on an issue which he has solid backing.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-69589064246188479192007-11-06T20:14:00.001-05:002007-11-06T20:14:00.001-05:00Would that not be great?An actual debate on the me...Would that not be great?<BR/><BR/>An actual debate on the merits of two different approaches on how Canadians are taxed.<BR/><BR/>Why stop there? Why not real debates on how to reduce Canada's ghg emissions? Or how to reduce poverty? Increase productivity? The possibilities are endless and it would be great to see it.<BR/><BR/>However, it is not going to happen.<BR/><BR/>With the exception of you and I and a few in the political and chattering classes no one is really interested in such a debate. It would take no longer than the phrase "increase the GST" for the debate to degenerate into just another partisan mess.<BR/><BR/>*Sigh*ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-7139833137721300852007-11-06T20:14:00.000-05:002007-11-06T20:14:00.000-05:00The Tories didn't experience a bounce after announ...The Tories didn't experience a bounce after announcing the GST cut not because people are in favor or against a tax cut, but rather, for the same reason they sit in the polls precisely where they were when they became elected:<BR/><BR/>Canadians haven't yet warmed to Stephen Harper. I'd add that in the twenty odd months since they came to power, Harper has shown himself to be a petty, vindictive, calculating control freak and that reinforces the publics coldness toward him in the polls. He is providing a competent and relatively scandal free government and I suspect most voters would like to see that continue. The bigger story for me and one I hope that voters latch onto is this:<BR/><BR/>Stephen Harper made Stephane Dion's leadership an issue. We've seen the multitude of problems Dion has faced and yet, Stephen Harper, in spite of his best efforts, does not seem to be benefitting in the public opinion polls. Pure conservative supporters should be asking themselves what it's going to take to get their party over the 40% mark. If they can't do it after Harper has painted Dion as a weak leader, then the problem lies with Stephen Harper himself and it might be time to take a closer look at their own leader.Sean Cummingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01550744638377851070noreply@blogger.com