tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post5032230960062726452..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Fun With HansardSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-55053009262278412652008-08-27T13:49:00.000-04:002008-08-27T13:49:00.000-04:00"gayle, as I said, the fixed election date is (and..."gayle, as I said, the fixed election date is (and always has been) intended for majority situations. Chretien abused his power and called snap elections. Harper is saying he won't do that in a majority."<BR/><BR/>Great - then I guess you can find the quote where Harper said that (and I am referring to a quote from before this week).<BR/><BR/>Maybe you can also explain why he fixed October 19 for the election too - what with it not applying to a minority government and all.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-30087760132023858592008-08-27T12:22:00.000-04:002008-08-27T12:22:00.000-04:00tonyYou actually use logic, then you say the oppos...tony<BR/><BR/>You actually use logic, then you say the opposition can still talk about these issues, but that is AFTER an election. Weak stuff, not to mention a silly rationalization.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-65191918861686704602008-08-27T12:18:00.000-04:002008-08-27T12:18:00.000-04:00steve, again I don't know if you're addressing the...steve, again I don't know if you're addressing the holes in your logic there. None of that stuff you're suggesting Harper is afraid of will be avoided with an election, unless you're implying there will be no opposition at the end of it. He wants to stay PM and it stands to reason that the opposition will bring all this up again when the 40th Parliament begins.<BR/><BR/>gayle, as I said, the fixed election date is (and always has been) intended for majority situations. Chretien abused his power and called snap elections. Harper is saying he won't do that in a majority. <BR/><BR/>In a minority all bets are off as the opposition has far more ability to take down or impede the government.<BR/><BR/>It's actually not that complicated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-19555518515432044852008-08-27T11:05:00.000-04:002008-08-27T11:05:00.000-04:00BTW, how many months can you keep posting the same...BTW, how many months can you keep posting the same line on Liberal blogs, I mean the name changes but its the same BLAH BLAH BLAH.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-10365398829905574112008-08-27T11:03:00.000-04:002008-08-27T11:03:00.000-04:00Sorry "insider" not buying, we've heard this crap ...Sorry "insider" not buying, we've heard this crap for the last year. And, I know they do lots of polling, and I have a little birdy who told me that the by-elections are looking VERY BAD. LOL, keep spinning.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-55684688404836553312008-08-27T10:56:00.000-04:002008-08-27T10:56:00.000-04:00The polling is NOT done by the PMO but by the Cons...The polling is NOT done by the PMO but by the Conservative party. They have so much money they are able to do in depth consituency level polling.No the usual polls of a few hundred but thousands and thousands at every constituency in Canada. They have this money, by the way, because conservatives in general donate in droves to the party unlike the liberals who, since Cruton shafted them, don't have Power Corp to fund them anymore.And besides,liberals expect the government to do everything for them. And if it doesn't-well you can always steal from the country.Does the word Adscam ring a bell? Dion still owes -what- 3/4 of a million dollars -from the convention. He can't even afford to pay his own light bill. And the libs are basically bankrupt given the lawsuits against them. Harpers suit may be politically motivated but the greenshaft lawsuit (8.5 million) is a bonafide action thats going to cost the libs bigtime and Power Corp won't be able to pay that either.(snicker-snicker) This is further evidence that the libs will screw anyone and everyone-be they private citizens or the country in general, in their quest for power.<BR/><BR/>As for the provinces not wanting senate reform, I think you mean Quebec doesn't want senate reform. The rest of the country would welcome it.<BR/><BR/>So take off your liberal tinfoil hats and get ready for a conservative majority.<BR/><BR/>How's that old saying go. "If your young and a conservative you have no heart but if your young and a liberal you have no brain".<BR/><BR/>Oh yeah, even though they stole all our money and ruined the country I'm still voting liberal cause I'm a f**king moron.<BR/><BR/>Horny ToadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-71441735570178171372008-08-27T10:50:00.000-04:002008-08-27T10:50:00.000-04:00"Harper manufacturing a crisis begs the question, ..."Harper manufacturing a crisis begs the question, what are you afraid of? Afraid of heading back to Parliament to answer tough questions? Afraid the economy is going down the drain and your fiscal management is unravelling? Afraid of "in and out" hearing? Bernier hearings? Afraid of the by-election results?"<BR/><BR/>qftAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-64098420135693397792008-08-27T10:15:00.000-04:002008-08-27T10:15:00.000-04:00Ummm "parroting"Ummm "parroting"Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-38120167591742703202008-08-27T09:44:00.000-04:002008-08-27T09:44:00.000-04:00Doh!"Southern""Parotting"Doh!<BR/><BR/>"Southern"<BR/>"Parotting"Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-86510023528772529952008-08-27T09:43:00.000-04:002008-08-27T09:43:00.000-04:00sosuthern - are you an expert in constitutional la...sosuthern - are you an expert in constitutional law? Or are you just partting what Harper has told you.<BR/><BR/>Provinces have objected to the requested reforms, and that is why the senate has refused to pass them until there is further study.<BR/><BR/>If a court challenge is such a good idea, why doesn't Harper make his proposed changes into a reference case and then we can hear what the SCC hs to say?<BR/><BR/>Could it be because he is far more interested in making this an election issue than he is in "democratizing" the senate?Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-3995099982312290192008-08-27T09:11:00.000-04:002008-08-27T09:11:00.000-04:00"You are right about one think-the cons do have th..."You are right about one think-the cons do have the BEST polling service. And that polling service is (and has been for some time) telling them they can get a MAJORITY."<BR/><BR/>Please, their own polling from the PMO shows support eroding, on every measure imaginable. The only reason we know this is because of access to information. I think they are so desperate to go now because they see Dion getting traction, and they know the numbers won't improve in the coming months. You can put all this false internal polling nonsense, but if you watch the body language, it suggests otherwise. I would also add, from what I'm hearing, those by-elections are turning into a BAD night for the Conservatives, which hardly jives with this MAJORITY nonsense you are spewing. Keep hope alive!<BR/><BR/>The Cons have concluded they have passed their best before date, now they want to make the sale before it goes completely ROTTEN.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-89781071215322103262008-08-27T02:26:00.000-04:002008-08-27T02:26:00.000-04:00Gayle: The reforms that were being made are comple...Gayle: <BR/><BR/>The reforms that were being made are completely constitutional. Changes have been made to the Senate in the past without the need for opening up the constitution. <BR/><BR/>If memory serves.. it was the Liberals who reduced the terms of Senators from life to 75... right? I'm doing this by memory so give me a break if I'm wrong. Whoever did it didn't bother reopening the constitution then. <BR/><BR/>The provinces starting a court case shouldn't necessarily even be feared. It would probably be a good thing to settle once and for all what the government can do with respect to the Senate. Moreover, there is no legal requirement for the elected 'Senators' to be appointed, its a consultory election after all.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556765364730568391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-34288737978588539652008-08-27T02:22:00.000-04:002008-08-27T02:22:00.000-04:00Oh yeah... Harper is really scared at losing bi-el...Oh yeah... Harper is really scared at losing bi-elections in seats that his party hasn't held since... when? Decades ago? <BR/><BR/>Come on. Something else is up. Probably he's bluffing, but maybe he's angling for something else. Who knows.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556765364730568391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-82548506190620525162008-08-27T02:10:00.000-04:002008-08-27T02:10:00.000-04:00Mr Toad:"I do agree that Harper doesn't h...Mr Toad:<BR/>"I do agree that Harper doesn't have the charisma... But I'll take substance over style any day."<BR/>- & this substance is what exactly?<BR/>The present PM either breaks stuff, or gets legislation & lets it die. So how is that substance again? Oh, sorry I forgot his triumphs like Bali or the World AIDS conference. <BR/>- Fine Substance Abounds! Mum, Fine Substance Abounds! <BR/>This is a small man with a small view of a small Canada. Even Presto or Joe- Head-Waiter-to-the-Provinces-Clarke had more of a positive vision of Canada. <BR/>This person who lives @ 24 Sussex must know about more scandals that are about to break down the pike, & does not want voters to know about them - like Walkerton II - AKA Maple Leaf Listeria or the promised, & not delivered Muldoon inquiry to see the light of day.<BR/>The present PM makes statements that sound all full of TRUTHIENESS but this is all bluster. Truth is not the present PM's friend; nor yours.JimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-69815213159028807502008-08-27T01:12:00.000-04:002008-08-27T01:12:00.000-04:00Hey toady - how, exactly, have the opposition been...Hey toady - how, exactly, have the opposition been stonewalling the CPC on law and order reform? In your reply, don't forget to refer to the fact that the vast majority of the crime bills would have passed a year before they did if Harper had not been so intent on proroguing parliament and killing them.<BR/><BR/>Also, how, exactly, is Harper going to go about with his senate reform without constitutional negotiations? Or did you miss that part where the Premiers of a couple provinces, including Quebec. told the Senate that they will initiate a court challenge if they allow the senate elections bill to pass as it requires a constitutional amendment.<BR/><BR/>So, I guess you may be right, so long as Harper gets away with continuing to lie to us...Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-4466097285608825062008-08-27T01:05:00.000-04:002008-08-27T01:05:00.000-04:00He's desperate to cancel the by-election because h...He's desperate to cancel the by-election because he knows (he has the best internal polling service, bar none) that he's about to get his booty booted."<BR/><BR/>You are right about one think-the cons do have the BEST polling service. And that polling service is (and has been for some time) telling them they can get a MAJORITY.<BR/><BR/>And Harper won't have any problem convincing the public that the opposition has been stonewalling the goverment on many issues Canadians want. How about Senate reform? How about law and order reform? There are many issues that resonate with the public. And the Green Shaft is simply an non-starter. A poor policy dreamed up by a weak desperate leader(?)<BR/><BR/>I do agree that Harper doesn't have the charisma of a Cruton, or Martin or gasp! Turdeau. But I'll take substance over style any day.<BR/><BR/>Horny ToadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-36920518760760255042008-08-26T23:47:00.000-04:002008-08-26T23:47:00.000-04:00Sounds more like bravado than confidence.Sounds more like bravado than confidence.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-31336000586982388162008-08-26T22:36:00.000-04:002008-08-26T22:36:00.000-04:00A little touchy there anon?I know it has been a ha...A little touchy there anon?<BR/><BR/>I know it has been a hard day for you CPC fans. Don't worry - I won't hold it against you.<BR/><BR/>But yes, if Dion wins a majority I will stop blogging. Hopefully that will turn a few votes his way. :)Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-59829677302436524992008-08-26T22:07:00.000-04:002008-08-26T22:07:00.000-04:00Gayle,for gods sake will a majority get you to shu...Gayle,for gods sake will a majority get you to shut up.You act like this is your private soap box for the Libs.The Libs days are over and their days of sitting on their hands in parliament are over.I heard Dion on the radio today,he sounded like a little school kid crying.And you think PM Harper is getting bad press.???When hasn't he got bad press from this gang of liberal swine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-72799135723127095222008-08-26T20:07:00.001-04:002008-08-26T20:07:00.001-04:00tony:In 1997 PM Chretien called an election early,...tony:<BR/><BR/>In 1997 PM Chretien called an election early, much to the chagrin of many. He was sitting on a 23 seat majority, the economy was perking up, the Liberals had just released a balanced budget and the Liberals were facing a fractured main opponent on the right.<BR/><BR/>They lost 20 seats.<BR/><BR/>It is widely acknowledged that one contributing factor to those losses was the early election call.<BR/><BR/>There is no predicting how Canadians will react to this. Will they be appreciative of being thrust into an election campaign just after the end of summer? Will they be appreciative of Mr. Harper breaking his own word and his own law to do it?<BR/><BR/>Time will tell but I will say one thing. I will have no problem if the first couple of days of the election campaign is Stephen Harper having to defend his decision to send Canadians to the polls.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-51324610760825767492008-08-26T20:07:00.000-04:002008-08-26T20:07:00.000-04:00Ooooo...I'm loving it. Watching Stephen languish ...Ooooo...<BR/><BR/>I'm loving it. Watching Stephen languish in his anguish, I mean.<BR/><BR/>He's desperate to cancel the by-election because he knows (he has the best internal polling service, bar none) that he's about to get his booty booted.<BR/><BR/>Ah... too bad. He's such an awesome Prime Minister, ya know, eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-23305402787638930022008-08-26T19:32:00.000-04:002008-08-26T19:32:00.000-04:00Oops, I forgot the link, oh and the fact that the ...Oops, I forgot the <A HREF="http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/08/26/oh-my-goodness-oh-my-goodness-oh-my-goodness/" REL="nofollow">link</A>, oh and the fact that the PM is announcing this.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-14590653467515002832008-08-26T19:29:00.001-04:002008-08-26T19:29:00.001-04:00The GG has cancelled her trip to Beijing.Start you...The GG has cancelled her trip to Beijing.<BR/><BR/>Start your engines?Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-38474724612042922742008-08-26T19:29:00.000-04:002008-08-26T19:29:00.000-04:00tonyActually Chretien lost seats when he did somet...tony<BR/><BR/>Actually Chretien lost seats when he did something similar, and I might add he was well up in the polls at the time, unlike Harper. A few seats now, Dion minority, given his fragile hold.<BR/><BR/>It isn't nonsensical at all, Harper manufacturing a crisis begs the question, what are you afraid of? Afraid of heading back to Parliament to answer tough questions? Afraid the economy is going down the drain and your fiscal management is unravelling? Afraid of "in and out" hearing? Bernier hearings? Afraid of the by-election results?<BR/><BR/>Sorry, none of this speaks to strength, the fact he changes his tune daily, not to mention the yardsticks, has many wondering, if I can use Layton's word "what is he up to". Maybe suspicion is a better word than fear, but whatever, it's a negative frame no matter how you look at it.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-29050738565499457162008-08-26T19:28:00.000-04:002008-08-26T19:28:00.000-04:00"Chretien called early elections every time and ne..."Chretien called early elections every time and never suffered for it, and that was with a majority."<BR/><BR/>Harper will not pay because he called an early election. He will pay because he broke a promise.<BR/><BR/>Get that? He lied.<BR/><BR/>So much for accountability.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.com