tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post5108623310239129750..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Liberal Riding President ResignsSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-16275803017303864402007-10-30T00:12:00.000-04:002007-10-30T00:12:00.000-04:00"On point two, she actually said the coffers were ..."On point two, she actually said the coffers were full."<BR/><BR/>The good burghers in Sarnia must be doing extremely well with the oil refineries in full capacity. Wish it would be the case in other ridings :(<BR/><BR/>Roger Galloway had a strong local following. So it is more No. 3, you cannot leave new Liberal candidates hanging in the wind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-5817636516962078092007-10-29T14:53:00.000-04:002007-10-29T14:53:00.000-04:00mushroomOn point two, she actually said the coffer...mushroom<BR/><BR/>On point two, she actually said the coffers were full. As an aside, I wonder why the third quarter results haven't been released yet? Seems a long delay.<BR/><BR/>On point three, I agree, it is hard for candidates to be election ready for months on end, particularly those that have jobs.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-55734641606551370502007-10-29T14:08:00.000-04:002007-10-29T14:08:00.000-04:00You also need to take into consideration that:1) S...You also need to take into consideration that:<BR/><BR/>1) Sarnia-Lambton is now solid Tory blue. It went Tory blue in the last provincial election.<BR/><BR/>2) It is difficult to raise funds at the riding level, especially in an unheld riding under the new rules. In some of them, the Grits are running a poor third and usually behind the Greens or the Dippers, depending on who has more traction.<BR/><BR/>3) It is also difficult to leave nominated candidates waiting for an election, especially ones who have taken a leave of absence from work. In unheld ridings, it can be stressful since many candidates are considering the next election as a dry run for one four years later.<BR/><BR/>So, there are both sides to this story. This is probably what Gillis is thinking about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-74207211936303412972007-10-29T13:16:00.000-04:002007-10-29T13:16:00.000-04:00Not quite what I meant. I think you get my point....Not quite what I meant. I think you get my point.Dan McKenziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16070628161551970252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-39234679494596487632007-10-29T07:25:00.000-04:002007-10-29T07:25:00.000-04:00Dan... please, do tell, how has the NDP been insul...Dan... please, do tell, how has the NDP been insulting the country??? Remember, the Liberal Party and Canada are not the same thing. It is very possible to be a good Canadian and not be a Liberalnorthwestern_ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16833632861345350726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-11473822325209527542007-10-29T04:19:00.000-04:002007-10-29T04:19:00.000-04:00I agree the main question we need to concern ourse...I agree the main question we need to concern ourselves is why did Gillis take this to the media?<BR/>When 2 mildly prominent NdP New Brunswick candidates defect to our team and that receives no coverage, i have to ask who is scripting the media's storyline?<BR/>Why ignore one and jump on the other, except that it feeds the original storyline pimped by our PM... Funny, I have yet to see many journalists follow Dion's trajectory to see how many items stand out as 'leader-like' or 'non-leader-like' events. But then again, trapsing through someone's old comments and achievements has been written off as verboten, thanks to our Capt Canada Harper -- wouldn't dare look at his ol' leadership tea leaves from years gone by, right?burlivespipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18048415779214466831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-24845593920427237992007-10-29T03:20:00.000-04:002007-10-29T03:20:00.000-04:00Harper sets a trap for Dion and he nicely turns th...Harper sets a trap for Dion and he nicely turns the tables on Steve and some idiotic riding president resigns then goes off in a huff to the media and we are suppose to think that Dion is not a leader and there is trouble in the Liberal party?<BR/><BR/>Get real peoples..... LOLOLOLOLkitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02249679366786579309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-8075026968919966662007-10-29T00:22:00.000-04:002007-10-29T00:22:00.000-04:00Not good news but I wouldn't have heard about this...Not good news but I wouldn't have heard about this had I not read it on your blog. Not a big deal. Just local media stuff.<BR/><BR/>As for northwestern_lad and this being the spark that sets off a blaze... Confirmation that dippers with dreams of destroying the Liberals really are annoying. Sure winning over Liberal voters is the goal but you have to win over Liberal partisans too. As far as that's concerned there is 0 indication of that. Perhaps, not insulting Liberals, and the country they've built would be a start.Dan McKenziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16070628161551970252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-26580414871307046082007-10-28T22:27:00.000-04:002007-10-28T22:27:00.000-04:00ottlibSo we wait for something akin to the sponsor...ottlib<BR/><BR/>So we wait for something akin to the sponsorship scandal, because Stephen Harper would have been in the political scrap heap if not for that turn of fortune? <BR/><BR/>All the things said about Harper are true, although there are unique circumstances here that don't fit neatly into the analogy. I would argue that rather than things turning around, we are in the midst of the cementing.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-18517524515574431742007-10-28T22:14:00.000-04:002007-10-28T22:14:00.000-04:00As knb said, the sooner these folks go away the be...As knb said, the sooner these folks go away the better off the Liberal Party will be.<BR/><BR/>I blogged a few weeks ago about how things never change in Canada's politics except the players.<BR/><BR/>In 2004 and 2005 it was Stephen Harper in Mr. Dion's shoes with resignations almost every week in all parts of the country and particularly in Quebec. In fact he was in even worse shape than Mr. Dion. He was still having those problems when the Liberals brought down the budget in 2005. <BR/><BR/>So the Conservatives abstained on that budget instead of forcing an election. The reaction of the media was the same as last week. Still more Conservatives publicly resigned because of the perceived choice of expediency over principles by Mr. Harper and the Liberals crowed.<BR/><BR/>Sound familiar?<BR/><BR/>I have said it before and I will say it again. Nothing in politics is permanent and there is no sure thing in politics.<BR/><BR/>Smart politicians realize that and act accordingly, waiting for better conditions. We can all be happy that it is Mr. Dion who is the leader and not Ms. Gillis. And we can all be happy that Mr. Dion listened to Senator Smith, and the Rae brothers, all of whom are smart and seasoned politicos with proven track records of winning.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-91348184576645617022007-10-28T22:12:00.000-04:002007-10-28T22:12:00.000-04:00"If Dion doesn't have the balls to stand up to his..."If Dion doesn't have the balls to stand up to his advisors who don't want an election then she is justified in blaming him."<BR/><BR/>To be fair, it wasn't just advisors, but by all the accounts the vast majority of MP's and the organization.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-16300862091203047842007-10-28T22:06:00.000-04:002007-10-28T22:06:00.000-04:00You say her beef should've been with those who adv...You say her beef should've been with those who advised Dion to stay put instead of Dion himself.<BR/><BR/>If Dion doesn't have the balls to stand up to his advisors who don't want an election then she is justified in blaming him.Okhropir Rumianihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12784102690731694690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-27175363062562132822007-10-28T22:04:00.000-04:002007-10-28T22:04:00.000-04:00Thanks catherine.Thanks catherine.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-11076508901199798912007-10-28T21:42:00.000-04:002007-10-28T21:42:00.000-04:00Sorry, try this: HarperSorry, try this:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=94e568ac-00eb-4160-a67f-4ff5fabec1ea&k=58884" REL="nofollow"> Harper</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-63598296227734655582007-10-28T21:17:00.000-04:002007-10-28T21:17:00.000-04:00catherine, for soe reason, I cannot access your li...catherine, for soe reason, I cannot access your link. Is it me?Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-4255891089698722932007-10-28T21:00:00.000-04:002007-10-28T21:00:00.000-04:00I don't know what this resignation means, but not ...I don't know what this resignation means, but not everyone buys into the whole Throne Speech or die scenario as pushed by Harper and Layton and now some Liberals. Here is a CanWest article picked up by the National Post:<BR/><BR/><A REF="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=94e568ac-00eb-4160-a67f 4ff5fabec1ea&k=58884"> Harper hit with bully label</A><BR/><BR/>One of my local MPs ran an opinion piece in a local newspaper urging Liberals to convert to NDP because of Dion's abstention, and I thought it was way over the top. Seems to me it is just parotting Harper's framing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-15713579461583717272007-10-28T20:30:00.000-04:002007-10-28T20:30:00.000-04:00Steve... true, but lets remember how things in Out...Steve... true, but lets remember how things in Outremont started. This might be the spark that sets off the blaze in Ontarionorthwestern_ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16833632861345350726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-91362350849766351872007-10-28T20:24:00.000-04:002007-10-28T20:24:00.000-04:00Not sure if it is relevant, but I did some checkin...Not sure if it is relevant, but I did some checking and she supported Rae during the leadership. Dion finished fourth in Ontario, so that isn't saying much.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-90257336476984254802007-10-28T20:12:00.000-04:002007-10-28T20:12:00.000-04:00CamI thought about that too, but you would need to...Cam<BR/><BR/>I thought about that too, but you would need to see more evidence to support the Ontario angle. Delacourt had a column yesterday, which basically said the GTA Liberals are still solidly behind Dion.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-11007527052613690602007-10-28T20:11:00.000-04:002007-10-28T20:11:00.000-04:00Steve: Let's hope Dion's instincts don't leave him...Steve: <I>Let's hope Dion's instincts don't leave him</I><BR/><BR/>I can't see that happening. He was pragmatic, which we all tend to be in out lives. That in itself does not change our views, or at least not mine.<BR/><BR/>northwestern_lad is trying to make a point...but the evidence does not show that. Support is higher in Ontario. Nice try though.<BR/><BR/>I/P made the best point. Why is this in the media? Two points. A vendetta and the media are eating this stuff up. The perfect marriage, no?<BR/><BR/>Fools both of them, out for their own individual gain.<BR/><BR/>What they gained...gone tomorrow.<BR/><BR/>To be honest, I'm happy to see these people resign. The weakness is leaving, hopefully to be replaced with strength.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-67865425482735599992007-10-28T19:52:00.000-04:002007-10-28T19:52:00.000-04:00Steve... the public comments sure are noteworthy,...Steve... the public comments sure are noteworthy, but I think that the thing that is very interesting here is where this is happening, in Ontario. All these recent fires about Dion's leadership have been in Quebec, and many commentators have kept on noting that the Liberals were still strong and united in Ontario. <BR/><BR/>But now you see the riding association president in a riding where the Liberals have had pretty strong support in the past resigning in such a public way, that should really send up some flares. Where there's smoke, there's fire, and it seems like there is a fire in Ontario too, not just Quebec,northwestern_ladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16833632861345350726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-6355955841429661392007-10-28T19:35:00.000-04:002007-10-28T19:35:00.000-04:00idIt't not that she resigned, nothing noteworthy t...id<BR/><BR/>It't not that she resigned, nothing noteworthy there or unusual, but her very public comments are interesting. I agree about "the real question".Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-3105538239997579062007-10-28T19:31:00.000-04:002007-10-28T19:31:00.000-04:00I actually agree with your overall conclusion and ...I actually agree with your overall conclusion and would be very concerned about the big picture if I were a Liberal. But reality check here: do you know how often riding association presidents resign? Have you ever heard about such a resignation being reported in the media before?<BR/><BR/>The real question here is: why did Gillis take this to the media, and who advised her to do so?Idealistic Pragmatisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18296481430598981678noreply@blogger.com