tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post5991579828787486154..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: What About "Credibility" Nik?Steve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-16733056019449602612010-01-03T10:17:46.042-05:002010-01-03T10:17:46.042-05:00"This is not an issue with legs."
Consi..."This is not an issue with legs."<br /><br />Considering we've been talking about it for TWO months Tomm, your comment is bizarre.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-67523715232174685942009-12-31T19:11:47.083-05:002009-12-31T19:11:47.083-05:00This is not an issue with legs. I know you expect...This is not an issue with legs. I know you expect a comment like that from me, but let's delve into it a bit.<br /><br />Nobody is accusing Canadian military people of torturing anyone. Nobody is disagreeing with the changes made in 2007. <br /><br />The two fundamental sticking points are:<br /><br />1. Did the government lie to us about what they knew and when? <br />2. Why did it take them 18 months to change the procedure from their first election date?<br /><br />I would suggest that neither question has legs. The first would require a smoking gun. The PM will continue to refuse a public inquiry and continue to redact documents. Where do you expect the smoking gun to come from and what must it contain to be harmful to the government? There is just no expectation that someone will find an e-mail from O'Connor or McKay that confirms a cover-up given the above. <br /><br />The second is a big yawn. 18 months is too long. Would 12 months have been too long? 6? What about the previous government setting this fiasco up this way in the first place? <br /><br />Just some thoughts.Tommhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06072854015300215347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-11233350953381383342009-12-23T16:25:49.404-05:002009-12-23T16:25:49.404-05:00Don't know?Don't know?Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-41309033737134718252009-12-23T14:27:15.416-05:002009-12-23T14:27:15.416-05:00Who sponsored the poll?Who sponsored the poll?ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-81818544872220394312009-12-23T14:17:54.518-05:002009-12-23T14:17:54.518-05:00I was referring to the stark wording :)I was referring to the stark wording :)Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-51256085002775959522009-12-23T14:10:20.796-05:002009-12-23T14:10:20.796-05:00Not sure I think there is anything wrong with the ...Not sure I think there is anything wrong with the question - it just sets it out in starker terms than most people are comfortable with. It is hard for people to view their government as one that knowingly allows torture, even though that is really what is being alleged.<br /><br />In that light, I am surprised so many people believe they are guilty of this.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-10259213787322252812009-12-23T11:05:17.958-05:002009-12-23T11:05:17.958-05:00Wasn't a fan of that question either, very str...Wasn't a fan of that question either, very strange wording.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-14989967977573816402009-12-23T11:00:12.130-05:002009-12-23T11:00:12.130-05:00It's all in the question. Even I have a hard t...It's all in the question. Even I have a hard time saying the conservative govenment turned prisoners knowing they would be tortured.<br /><br />I would say they were willing to turn them over knowing there is a risk of torture, or they did not take enough steps to protect them from torture. It is hard to reach the conclusion they knew they would (or might) be tortured.<br /><br />It is all sematics I know, but then again, it is all sematics.<br /><br />In any event, my guess is we will se the CPC continue with the Big Lie in the new year.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-38694381891606029152009-12-23T09:55:13.897-05:002009-12-23T09:55:13.897-05:00I suppose one other noteworthy finding, it explain...I suppose one other noteworthy finding, it explains why the government messaging hides behind the military.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-45915214827565954682009-12-23T09:53:34.566-05:002009-12-23T09:53:34.566-05:00Yep. Agreed.Yep. Agreed.robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06557812182283316971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-66885111980994189672009-12-23T09:13:35.658-05:002009-12-23T09:13:35.658-05:00Agreed. All I'm saying, they have a credibili...Agreed. All I'm saying, they have a credibility problem on this issue, so I wouldn't conclude there is no vulnerability. Nothing more, nothing less.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-26460770811403803942009-12-23T09:05:21.477-05:002009-12-23T09:05:21.477-05:00I understand what you're arguing, and I think ...I understand what you're arguing, and I think you're right. However, "Less People Think we have Low Credibility" may not be the most inspirational battle cry.robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06557812182283316971noreply@blogger.com