tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post6072968690494469718..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: The Other Shoe Drops With A THUDSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-48598552571546435002011-03-11T06:48:56.685-05:002011-03-11T06:48:56.685-05:00Let me be more specific, and break this into two p...Let me be more specific, and break this into two points: <br /><br />1) I blame the pencil pushers for not figuring out the cost, which is difficult to excuse. So I agree with SteveV, pencil pushers don't get the slack.<br /><br />2) If the SOR is overstated or over-simplified, I blame the CF officers (but immediately shift some of that blame onto Parliament, LOL - I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! ;-0 )<br /><br />At the top level, Parliament (ideally) or at least the government caucus (more realistically) needs to debate what missions DND is responsible for and what level of security is required (and some practical definitions for those terms).<br /><br />Once DND understands what is responsible for, it can (eventually) come back and say: "If that is what you MPs want, then this is what it will cost." <br /><br />Unfortunately, DND could be called out to do anything, and therefore must prepare for everything - which is expensive and time consuming.<br /><br />For example, without a clear understanding of the demands upon a new jet fighter (domestic? expeditionary? air superiority? patrol?), you have to buy 1 fighter that does everything (you hope), which yields a bigger SOR.<br /><br />But I don't blame the SOR developers for not figuring out the cost. The way DND works, it's not their (SOR devlopers) jobs.Brad Dillmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13247350574583774744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-38361841147331751442011-03-11T06:34:33.075-05:002011-03-11T06:34:33.075-05:00@WhigWag:
First, your argument that they have eno...@WhigWag:<br /><br />First, your argument that they have enough staff is that they just cut back 14%?<br /><br />Second, I believe it is actually CF officers who decide and review the requirements, not pencil pushers. Pencil pushers write the requisitions, manage contracts and count beans, but they're not decision makers for requirements. And requirement decisions was my (admitted rambling) context. Sorry if it was confusing.<br /> <br />My point was really, if you spend everything on boots and guns, don't expect increased efficiency, modernization and innovative transformation for free. You can fight yesterday's war cheaper, but why would you want to [fight yesterday's war]?Brad Dillmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13247350574583774744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-49912920608125534622011-03-10T21:53:17.501-05:002011-03-10T21:53:17.501-05:00I'm not so sure we need cut slack. They relea...I'm not so sure we need cut slack. They release many SOR's, you would think a signature branch of the military expenditure has that level of inquiry. I actually think it is patently irresponsible if they didn't do one. From what I gather many military observers don't understand why we haven't seen it released.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-5355208912653829572011-03-10T20:23:17.369-05:002011-03-10T20:23:17.369-05:00@ The Rational Number: hmm, one MIGHT have some s...@ The Rational Number: hmm, one MIGHT have some sympathy for that rationale... if it were true.<br /><br />But acc. to the news, the Cndn. military has actually EXCEEDED its pencil-pushing civilian complement that does that sort of thing by 14%, and has to cut back on them.<br /><br />"Military sets out to trim all but essential civilian staff," by COLIN FREEZE, Globe and Mail Tuesday, Dec. 28, 2010; <br /><br />it's behind a firewall now but reproduced online at various sites like:<br /><br />http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=98275.0WhigWaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14669496174531262021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-18805831768724017842011-03-10T19:34:22.381-05:002011-03-10T19:34:22.381-05:00An SOR at this scale is a big, ugly beast. Simply,...An SOR at this scale is a big, ugly beast. Simply, I think DND/CF are looking to be "America-compatible" for north-south integration, e.g. NORAD, etc. "America-compatible" probably translates into "F35-compatible", which is usually perceived as meaning "F35". <br /><br />I think many in DND/CF see increased risk in integrating tech from two or more vendors, and buying everything from one vendor as avoiding that risk. Sometimes that's true, sometimes its an exaggeration; I've seen both.<br /><br />Anyway, when reading that SOR, you have to clearly understand what level of integration is required between the CF air force and the USAF. I'm sure I don't understand. But I'm also suspicious of the F35 spec that may attempt to avoid that question of integration by simply getting F35s (reasoning that if you have the same plane, any level of integration is possible, so understanding isn't necessary).<br /><br />However, please cut DND/CF some slack, they typically don't have a lot of extra manpower to devote to SOR development, which leads to more reliance on vendor input - which I don't like any more than anyone else, but what can they do while their non-operational personnel are spread so thin? This is a good case where money spent on non-operational activities would probably pay for itself. However, I'd expect Conservatives to resist spending money on anything but "boots and guns". Penny wise and pound foolish, IMHO.Brad Dillmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13247350574583774744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-51175415883781622482011-03-10T18:46:20.351-05:002011-03-10T18:46:20.351-05:00"The Conservatives could very well be in the ..."The Conservatives could very well be in the same position this time around and if they are they will have to hope the Liberals implode to hang on to government."<br /><br />There is a big difference between overspending taxpayer money and stealing taxpayer money. The public will forgive overspending, they won't forgive stealing. I really don't see a big gain out of all this for the Liberal Party except it might stop Harper from getting a majority, which is more a Harper loss than a Liberal gain.<br />Next two weeks are going to be interesting....Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409532493819715587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-78442565073542448742011-03-10T18:31:56.656-05:002011-03-10T18:31:56.656-05:00Without this report, we were basically relying on ...Without this report, we were basically relying on numbers the PMO cooked up. Sad really, when you think about it- why wouldn't DND do that analysis?<br /><br />As an aside, I don't mean to DRONE on about this, but the fact the gov't won't release the Statement of Operational Requirements, despite the fact you can view other items online right now, is a big RED FLAG. What does that report say, why are they hiding it? Musn't be flattering, and I'm amazed nobody in the media is digging into this angle.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-33971291510776038192011-03-10T18:24:41.405-05:002011-03-10T18:24:41.405-05:00The PBO said DND confirmed they did no such analys...The PBO said DND confirmed they did no such analysis [of the costs]. Yet the Minister's office still sticks with the figures.<br /><br />What arrogance to never admit a mistake.Brad Dillmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13247350574583774744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-90687248344806787452011-03-10T18:24:01.295-05:002011-03-10T18:24:01.295-05:00Apparently the Bloc no longer support this purchas...Apparently the Bloc no longer support this purchase, which is massive given where all the jobs were supposed to be. Harper now has no cover, in Quebec. This will be a big issue come the campaign.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-68353958279989371632011-03-10T18:18:31.171-05:002011-03-10T18:18:31.171-05:00Gee Paul that is exactly what Liberals were saying...Gee Paul that is exactly what Liberals were saying to Stephen Harper leading up to the 2006 election.<br /><br />Low and behold, Stephen Harper came up with his "5 priorties" and those along with voter anger at Liberal scandals gave him victory.<br /><br />If the Liberals and other Opposition Parties can cultivate some disgust amongst voters for the actions of this government they would be half-way to sending the Conservatives to the Opposition benches.<br /><br />The Liberals have policy and I believe they have the guy that can sell them. <br /><br />In 2006 Paul Martin had to spend a considerable amount of his time trying to neutralize the negative effects of Liberal scandal. The Conservatives could very well be in the same position this time around and if they are they will have to hope the Liberals implode to hang on to government.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-44512779642304361132011-03-10T18:15:34.067-05:002011-03-10T18:15:34.067-05:00EKOS poll gives the Cons a 7 point lead, he sees g...EKOS poll gives the Cons a 7 point lead, he sees good news for the government.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-36804138864740998552011-03-10T18:13:20.068-05:002011-03-10T18:13:20.068-05:00I don't care for that analogy, way, way differ...I don't care for that analogy, way, way different dynamics at play today- doesn't fit. As for vision, I think progress has been made, let's see what the red book brings.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-13142620081998315122011-03-10T17:59:47.217-05:002011-03-10T17:59:47.217-05:00I don't think the Liberal Party "gets it&...I don't think the Liberal Party "gets it". What is happening now is no different than back in the late 1990's except the Liberals where in power and the Consevatives where the ones coming up with all the "scandals".<br />People aren't going to vote for the Liberals because they find a few things wrong with the government. People are going to vote for who they think would make the best government and the Liberal Party is not giving Canadians anything to vote for....<br />Time to stop pointing fingers and start coming up with some vision.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409532493819715587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-21668840737676372482011-03-10T17:24:34.172-05:002011-03-10T17:24:34.172-05:00I have hope, because some of these themes can reso...I have hope, because some of these themes can resonate. And, because anyone who I've talked to that has heard Ignatieff has been surprised. That speech he made to caucus, the reception he gets on the road, important because the average Canadian has NO impression of these guy yet, apart from superficial attack ad stuff. Once a campaign comes, people will finally take five seconds to look at the guy. I'm convinced his stature will improve as a result, and that is what I have my eye on. How many times have we seen polls change, how many elections have gone differently than advertised, I just see no reason to be fatalistic at this point. I think this guy has a message now that he can deliver. I'm not sure we can beat the Cons outright, but I also don't see a repeat of 2008, I really really don't.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-61217982035874905372011-03-10T17:16:36.188-05:002011-03-10T17:16:36.188-05:00Shiner, should the worst happen, I'm consideri...Shiner, should the worst happen, I'm considering moving back to Ile Perot - and joining the PĂ©quistes in separating.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-73158476399674854212011-03-10T17:00:39.063-05:002011-03-10T17:00:39.063-05:00Have a drink redgranite, it dulls the pain. Steve&...Have a drink redgranite, it dulls the pain. Steve's right though, we still haven't seen Ignatieff in an election, and all that the people have seen (the 15% paying attention) is the view presented by Harper. Anyone who has ever seen him in person should know the poll numbers don't reflect a charisma that's definitely there, along with an interest in engaging voters. <br /><br />That said, I'll start looking for a nice lake somewhere that we can all escape to should the worse happen.Shinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08016613530584645357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-22870353766817046392011-03-10T16:35:47.573-05:002011-03-10T16:35:47.573-05:00I want the law and order numbers and I hear people...I want the law and order numbers and I hear people are pushing to get the Economic Action Plan ad buy numbers.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-81236941727481522542011-03-10T16:34:31.770-05:002011-03-10T16:34:31.770-05:00Imagine if we can get the 'law & order'...Imagine if we can get the 'law & order' agenda numbers for the jails on top of this?<br /><br />As for poll numbers, I bet if Harper punched Kate Middleton during the royal wedding, then followed that by stating Canadian beer 'sucks' ...he'd probably hit the 50% mark.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-62687887829652608272011-03-10T16:18:49.762-05:002011-03-10T16:18:49.762-05:00This story today is devastating for the government...This story today is devastating for the government, I honestly believe it will resonate, something people can understand. I knew these guys where burying the numbers, but even I was completely flabbergasted by today's release.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-32434630071661614862011-03-10T15:56:55.868-05:002011-03-10T15:56:55.868-05:00Ugh... just really depressed about the whole thing...Ugh... just really depressed about the whole thing.redgranitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09451187449295820374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-85989289449198770292011-03-10T15:44:52.213-05:002011-03-10T15:44:52.213-05:00As an aside, I edited my first sentence from "...As an aside, I edited my first sentence from "contempt" to what the link states "may be in the contempt" of Parliament. An important legal distinction, I inadvertently glossed over.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-797180527381654032011-03-10T15:34:38.021-05:002011-03-10T15:34:38.021-05:00Honestly, don't sweat the polls right now. I ...Honestly, don't sweat the polls right now. I think we are on to something very fundamental that will resonate. I've worried before, so this isn't partisan denial, but something is afoot here, a coherent presentation that is increasingly powerful.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-82280653613808573092011-03-10T15:30:04.128-05:002011-03-10T15:30:04.128-05:00And yet Liberals still manage to fall in the polls...And yet Liberals still manage to fall in the polls. Canadians get the government they deserve.redgranitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09451187449295820374noreply@blogger.com