tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post6446678288932224590..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Rae OutSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-20590498360425169282008-12-09T19:52:00.000-05:002008-12-09T19:52:00.000-05:00Now that we have the leadership outa the way the q...<I>Now that we have the leadership outa the way the question becomes:<BR/><BR/>1. Coalition?<BR/>2. Snap election?<BR/>3. Wait?</I><BR/><BR/>Iggy was the right choice, even if it frightens you that I would agree with him as leader.<BR/><BR/>However, the coalition needs to beaten to the ground quickly. The damage may already be done, but persisting in it only adds to the ammunition in the next election, whenever it might be.<BR/><BR/>MI was smart enough to distance himself early, so I suspect the coalition of leftist stupidity will be dead in short order.Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-88033477539074606572008-12-09T14:35:00.000-05:002008-12-09T14:35:00.000-05:00Okay Liberals, seriously, chill the fuck out.If yo...Okay Liberals, seriously, chill the fuck out.<BR/><BR/>If you hate what happened here today, pause for a moment, go have a smoke, do some yoga, have sex, if you can't have sex, masturbate. Do whatever you do to relax. Then, if you are still mad, realize there is more reason than ever to be a Liberal. Renew your membership, donate to the party, and attend the conference where you can vote once again on a One Member, One Vote platform so this doesn't happen again.Pearcehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18352082171720055212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-77858453471128040222008-12-09T14:17:00.000-05:002008-12-09T14:17:00.000-05:00"The other parties aren't going to wait around for..."The other parties aren't going to wait around forever."<BR/><BR/>Where are they going to go? I guess they could form their own coaltion and ask the GG to give them Official Opposition status. I'm sure that would work out well. Or they could use their majority of unelected candidates to set up a sweet shadow government in Outremont! <BR/><BR/>The NDP are going to get lost in the shuffle. Expect more idle threats.CuzBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14169446711811834115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-39965920437509239082008-12-09T13:10:00.000-05:002008-12-09T13:10:00.000-05:00So, we use the coalition IF NEED be.The other part...<I>So, we use the coalition IF NEED be.</I><BR/><BR/>The other parties aren't going to wait around forever.Robert McClellandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11441059623685149683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-73581628490006056632008-12-09T12:45:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:45:00.000-05:00BenNo room for loose cannons ;)Ben<BR/><BR/>No room for loose cannons ;)Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-89934671403024162722008-12-09T12:42:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:42:00.000-05:00Now that we have the leadership outa the way the q...Now that we have the leadership outa the way the question becomes:<BR/><BR/>1. Coalition?<BR/>2. Snap election?<BR/>3. Wait?liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-34062909232762997122008-12-09T12:41:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:41:00.000-05:00You know - the NDP supporters can moan and groan a...You know - the NDP supporters can moan and groan all they want - it is not about the coalition. It is about the Liberal leadership. Layton cannot be allowed to control the Liberals.<BR/><BR/>So, we use the coalition IF NEED be.<BR/><BR/>I'm relieved and I know the Rae supporters won't like it - democratic stuff and all, but the Liberal delegates are to blame for this. They voted down OMOV at the last convention.<BR/><BR/>Dion was humiliated and although I'm not a Rae fan I wouldn't want him humiliated either. He doesn't deserve it, just like Dion didn't deserve.<BR/><BR/>Dion did not have enough supporters, just like Rae doesn't - and it was a backroom deal that got Dion in.<BR/><BR/>2 years have been wasted and if the race went on - another 6 months and it time to move on.<BR/><BR/>The delegates at the last convention disenfranchized the members their vote to not allow democracy with the OMOV.<BR/><BR/>So, now let's try to change that. I know so many people that felt their membership meant nothing and didn't renew or donate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-51990442041954799012008-12-09T12:40:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:40:00.000-05:00Anon:Plus the process it not really the issue, a c...Anon:<BR/><BR/>Plus the process it not really the issue, a coronation and a full fledged leadership race like Montreal did not produce the right leader. And thats the point, its not the process but the result. Do we have the right leader this time, time will tell. I believe we do.liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-82688479322637495942008-12-09T12:37:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:37:00.000-05:00This Bob Rae fan humbly accepts defeat. It was the...This Bob Rae fan humbly accepts defeat. It was the best move for all, electability being the key.<BR/><BR/>Ignatieff will steal some PC votes away from the Cons, no doubt, and he'll massacre Harper in debates. They may not be worried about imminent threats but they know he will be a force to be reckoned with in the future. At least the intelligent ones do (anonymous rabble rousers not included)<BR/><BR/>His biggest challenge will not be besting Conservatives on policy or politics but rather getting the LPC donation train going. If he can reverse your public/private revenue ratio, everything changes. <BR/><BR/>If I were him, I would take a year or so in Opposition to sell myself to potential donors. There will be much fodder from gov during 2009 to contrast against. The economic crisis will play into his hand. Then, once the party is revitalized and the economy is set to rebound, take down the gov and take credit. <BR/><BR/>I was pumped for the coalition but upon reflection I think it was the nerdy politico side of myself that just wanted to see something crazy happen. Ignatieff should end the coaltion talk now and distance himself from all things Dion. (even the Green Shift, regrettably)<BR/><BR/>Steve, can I expect to see you on team Ignatieff? Staff positions will be openning up soon...;)CuzBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14169446711811834115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-37884783367536559662008-12-09T12:32:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:32:00.000-05:00Yo, you are comparing Iggy to Dion?Yo, you are comparing Iggy to Dion?liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-29800210725907176242008-12-09T12:27:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:27:00.000-05:00There is no doubt we are stronger party today and ...<I>There is no doubt we are stronger party today and we are coming to kick yo ass!</I><BR/><BR/>*Yawn* I've been hearing <I>that</I> since you chose your <I>last</I> leader after <I>two</I> elections ago. So crown King Iggy. Obviously you don't remember the results of the last Liberal coronation. I do. :D<BR/><BR/>Yo.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-21005973834635514872008-12-09T12:22:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:22:00.000-05:00Anon:There is no doubt we are stronger party today...Anon:<BR/><BR/>There is no doubt we are stronger party today and we are coming to kick yo ass!liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-15037691740693048042008-12-09T12:19:00.001-05:002008-12-09T12:19:00.001-05:00Oh, I'd second that demotion lib.Oh, I'd second that demotion lib.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-14470441214056974102008-12-09T12:15:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:15:00.000-05:00Can we all agree that the first order of business ...Can we all agree that the first order of business for Iggy is to kick that ass Jimmy K on his butt.liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-72114978632532593792008-12-09T12:13:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:13:00.000-05:00The question the Conservatives need to ask themsel...The question the Conservatives need to ask themselves today is the Liberal party a stronger party after tomorrow? The answer is yes, so it is doubtful Harper can be happy about today's news.liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-55819374249480605852008-12-09T12:05:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:05:00.000-05:00"I know a lot of Conservatives are worried about h..."I know a lot of Conservatives are worried about him"<BR/><BR/>Bob Fife Conservative TelevisionSteve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-88673887641246599132008-12-09T11:57:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:57:00.000-05:00anonLOL. Be afraid.anon<BR/><BR/>LOL. Be afraid.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-123521019706475282008-12-09T11:45:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:45:00.000-05:00"There is only one thing we can do about this: liv...<I>"There is only one thing we can do about this: live the way we are supposed to live, as our Constitution commands us to, with dignity and respect for all. Being an American is not easy. It is hard. We are required to keep some serious promises. We are judged by a high standard, one We crafted for ourselves in the founding documents of the republic, the ones that talk about the equality of all people, the ones that tell us that government is of the people, by the people and for the people. We need to live by this, at home and abroad, and it is just about the only thing we can do to face the hatred of those who want to destroy us. Our best defense is to stay true to who we are. Our best defense is to refuse to live in fear, of them, of ourselves, of anyone." - Ignatieff.</I><BR/><BR/>An awful lot of intimate and inclusive WE, OUR, and US in that speech in regards to being American. For years you guys made erroneous reference to Harper's connection to the US. Now the shoe is going to be on the other foot. Delicious irony.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-65780183487756400082008-12-09T11:42:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:42:00.000-05:00As a Rae supporter, I am disappointed, but I think...As a Rae supporter, I am disappointed, but I think Bob is doing what is good for the party and the country. He will continue to push for broadening the base and keeping our alliances intact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-22409720697946709912008-12-09T11:41:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:41:00.000-05:00anonYes, yes I do. Back under the bridge.anon<BR/><BR/>Yes, yes I do. Back under the bridge.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-72830583647684686642008-12-09T11:39:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:39:00.000-05:00Think so Steve? The Tories will be ecstatic. The n...Think so Steve? The Tories will be ecstatic. The next election ads will just write themselves - *Liberal backroom deal to usurp the government and now another backroom deal for the leadership of their party. Who is that with the hidden agenda again?*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-73036268893854579032008-12-09T11:38:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:38:00.000-05:00Dear LiberalsThanks for expediting the leadership....<A HREF="http://mrsinistergreg.blogspot.com/2008/12/dear-liberals_09.html" REL="nofollow">Dear Liberals</A><BR/><I>Thanks for expediting the leadership. Now all I ask is that your leader take a clear stand on the future of the coalition (and letting Jim Karygiannis speak to the media does not count). Thanks. </I>Robert McClellandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11441059623685149683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-9520996396166817192008-12-09T11:37:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:37:00.000-05:00Remember that Iggy promised us a policy convention...Remember that Iggy promised us a policy convention, so we need to hold him to that.<BR/><BR/>Once again this is great news. I do not believe Iggy is our saviour, but it is an upgrade.<BR/><BR/>Moreover, I think Iggy is more off a caretaker, for the next few years, until the next great leadership battle btw Leblanc, Trudeau, GK et al. It gives them time to build themselves up, while the party is rebuilt.<BR/><BR/>Great day though, great day...liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-7620149641023542272008-12-09T11:34:00.000-05:002008-12-09T11:34:00.000-05:00libI think the key question Liberals need ask them...lib<BR/><BR/>I think the key question Liberals need ask themselves today- is Stephen Harper happy with today's conclusion? Methinks not, and that's the bottomline.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-4065618154006577112008-12-09T11:32:00.001-05:002008-12-09T11:32:00.001-05:00ha ha good one Steve.Great news, glad Bob saw the ...ha ha good one Steve.<BR/><BR/>Great news, glad Bob saw the light and will back Iggy fully.<BR/><BR/>Its now time to band together to fight the real enemy. You all remember who that is or do you want a few more years of that dick? If you'd rather have Harper in place out of spite, then you are certainly not a true Liberal.liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.com