tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post6641739750414193140..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Surprise, SurpriseSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-75429728149653408052007-11-26T12:27:00.000-05:002007-11-26T12:27:00.000-05:00Oh, and we should also add that Angus-Reid is not ...Oh, and we should also add that Angus-Reid is not Ipsos-Reid. Angus Reid does two things: they issue alerts about other people's polls, leading some people to report them twice, once as the original, the next time as an Angus Reid poll (this is not a matter of AR claiming credit, just people not reading. OTOH, why do they feel the need?)<BR/><BR/>They also do internet-only polling of dubious value, as their sample is recruited by advertising with provocative questions. People who CARE about politics are the LAST people who should ever be polled! :)Reality Biteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10350104223630062677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-72437497593428588052007-11-26T12:17:00.000-05:002007-11-26T12:17:00.000-05:00"Ipsos gets disproportionate coverage because they..."Ipsos gets disproportionate coverage because they poll for Canwest Global - so their results hit Global, National Post, and major papers in most cities. With Strategic Council polling for CTV Globemedia they get equal TV coverage, but far less newspaper coverage. SES polls for SunMedia these days, so gets far less coverage in papers and virtually none on TV. Decima polls for CP, so everyone has access to them."<BR/><BR/>I would just add, that the frequency of the Ipsos polls keeps its findings on the front burner. The trouble with a reputable poll like SES, it is only done quarterly, which means the media focuses on the most recent polling.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-30588802618061729842007-11-26T12:04:00.000-05:002007-11-26T12:04:00.000-05:00Ipsos gets disproportionate coverage because they ...Ipsos gets disproportionate coverage because they poll for Canwest Global - so their results hit Global, National Post, and major papers in most cities. With Strategic Council polling for CTV Globemedia they get equal TV coverage, but far less newspaper coverage. SES polls for SunMedia these days, so gets far less coverage in papers and virtually none on TV. Decima polls for CP, so everyone has access to them.<BR/><BR/>Of course CPAC and political junkie shows like Duffy and Newman will mention all polls, but mainstream news broadcasts and newspapers tend to bury coverage of the polls they didn't pay for.<BR/><BR/>Canwest used to use Compas polls, a company that made Ipsos-Reid look like a Liberal Party house organ in comparison. They are also renowned for having produced the only poll in Canadian history that didn't show a majority (or plurality depending on the undecided factor) in favour of same-sex marriage.<BR/><BR/>As always, anything you need to understand about Canadian politics can be found in the old British sitcoms Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister:<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "You know what happens: nice young lady comes up to you. Obviously you want to create a good impression, you don't want to look a fool, do you? So she starts asking you some questions: Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the number of young people without jobs?"<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "Yes"<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "Are you worried about the rise in crime among teenagers?"<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "Yes"<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "Do you think there is a lack of discipline in our Comprehensive schools?"<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "Yes"<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "Do you think young people welcome some authority and leadership in their lives?"<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "Yes"<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "Do you think they respond to a challenge?"<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "Yes"<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "Would you be in favour of reintroducing National Service?"<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "Oh...well, I suppose I might be."<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "Yes or no?"<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "Yes"<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "Of course you would, Bernard. After all you told you can't say no to that. So they don't mention the first five questions and they publish the last one."<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "Is that really what they do?"<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "Well, not the reputable ones no, but there aren't many of those. So alternatively the young lady can get the opposite result."<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "How?"<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the danger of war?"<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "Yes"<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "Are you worried about the growth of armaments?"<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "Yes"<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "Do you think there is a danger in giving young people guns and teaching them how to kill?"<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "Yes"<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "Do you think it is wrong to force people to take up arms against their will?"<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "Yes"<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "Would you oppose the reintroduction of National Service?"<BR/><BR/>Bernard Woolley: "Yes"<BR/><BR/>Sir Humphrey: "There you are, you see Bernard. The perfect balanced sample."Reality Biteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10350104223630062677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-18288828098572524782007-11-26T11:17:00.000-05:002007-11-26T11:17:00.000-05:00That too :)That too :)Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-77773313931711935182007-11-26T11:14:00.000-05:002007-11-26T11:14:00.000-05:00or an election :)or an election :)Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-83371157070166341162007-11-26T11:10:00.000-05:002007-11-26T11:10:00.000-05:00"Never fear lefties, there will be a Decima poll a..."Never fear lefties, there will be a Decima poll along soon enough to warm your cold little hearts."<BR/><BR/>Or a Strategic Counsel poll, or an SES poll....Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-83470401844439605672007-11-26T11:08:00.000-05:002007-11-26T11:08:00.000-05:00Never fear lefties, there will be a Decima poll al...Never fear lefties, there will be a Decima poll along soon enough to warm your cold little hearts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-9124458661371060892007-11-26T11:02:00.000-05:002007-11-26T11:02:00.000-05:00I personally love how the media try to pump up mov...I personally love how the media try to pump up movements of 1 and 3% as legitimateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-10155143347362671112007-11-26T10:57:00.000-05:002007-11-26T10:57:00.000-05:00On the other hand, since most people do not want a...On the other hand, since most people do not want a Harper majority, the IR polls may result in fewer votes for Harper.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-91313343797344323422007-11-26T10:46:00.000-05:002007-11-26T10:46:00.000-05:00"They are propaganda not a legitimate polling firm..."They are propaganda not a legitimate polling firm."<BR/><BR/>This may sound radical, but I support an independent verification process for anyone who wants to release a public poll. These polls have impact, and Ipsos tends to get disportionate coverage, probably because of frequency. People can discount the poll, but there is no question they fuel media storylines, and by extension influence public opinion.<BR/><BR/>Polling outfits should be subject to some scrutiny, otherwise they can project an agenda, in a very devious way.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-9858024684583330032007-11-26T10:41:00.000-05:002007-11-26T10:41:00.000-05:00I wouldn't trust an Ipsos Reid poll that found kid...I wouldn't trust an Ipsos Reid poll that found kids like puppies. They are propaganda not a legitimate polling firm. <BR/><BR/>It happens in "scientific" studies as well. Fortunately reputable scientific journals only print studies that can be repeated by other labs with the same results. Reputable news organizations should do the sameand not publish or cite Ipsos Reid data. it is manufactured plain and simple and has no validity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-42053781364415737482007-11-26T10:37:00.000-05:002007-11-26T10:37:00.000-05:00Steve - johnathon is a troll. He spent most of las...Steve - johnathon is a troll. He spent most of last night over at RT's posting his nonsense.<BR/><BR/>I suggest you ignore him.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-23730853374578910902007-11-26T10:32:00.000-05:002007-11-26T10:32:00.000-05:00johnWhen you take off the rose colored glasses, yo...john<BR/><BR/>When you take off the rose colored glasses, you might see the other polling outfits that suggest NO SUCH THING. Sometimes I think Ipsos' sole purpose, is too provide delusional comfort for Conservatives.<BR/><BR/>One admission Bricker makes:<BR/><BR/>"For one reason or the other, the Conservatives are still a tough-sell in Canada," said Mr. Bricker"Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-56764399647787185252007-11-26T10:27:00.000-05:002007-11-26T10:27:00.000-05:00Your happy Harper is in majority territory?SO am I...Your happy Harper is in majority territory?<BR/><BR/>SO am I.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the post.Johnathonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14468885934256262056noreply@blogger.com