tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post6642180001099204815..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Liberals Should Revisit Carbon TaxSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-58419928222644231762012-09-20T20:20:08.516-04:002012-09-20T20:20:08.516-04:00As I suggested in the Dion days, give the cuts to ...As I suggested in the Dion days, give the cuts to people first, then balance it with carbon tax funds afterwards, using a real accountant to figure it out. With the distrust of politicians, who believes that they'll get the money back at some later date, the whole revenue neutral argument?<br /><br />They'd be real "offsets" if you offset the tax by a year or so from the cuts. Sure, it would increase deficits in the short term, but they're mainly artificial anyways.Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-61816619347445349472012-09-20T08:52:35.627-04:002012-09-20T08:52:35.627-04:00Consider that 140 of the nations top economists si...Consider that 140 of the nations top economists signed a letter supporting the carbon tax in the middle of Dion's election, I'd say the failure of the campaign team to capitalize on that was a major failure in itself. How about the party focus on addressing Kieth Davies concentration of media warnings from the 1970's, you can't beat an opponent that controls most of the media through 3 companies and then blathers on about liberal bias. Mike Duffy can rot in hell too.<br />Jerry Pragerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054428435443042500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-89264452130377199842012-09-19T11:52:51.420-04:002012-09-19T11:52:51.420-04:00Did the carbon tax help the Liberals in 2008? No.
...Did the carbon tax help the Liberals in 2008? No.<br /><br />But it didn't hurt us as much as some like to claim. Remember the the Liberals and Dion were rising in the polls, carbon tax not withstanding, until Mike Duffy's hatchet job on Dion.<br /><br />The thing about the CPC's attack on a Carbon Tax is that it they was all lies. If you can't beat Harper when he's full of BS then how can you expect to beat him with any policy?<br /><br />Cut income taxes by 30-35% and bring in a carbon tax (with a low income earner refundable credit) on things that I can then decide to buy or not. <br /><br />Tie it all into the environment AND personal freedom AND lower overall taxes for those who take personal responsibility for their actions. Then let Harper flail away.<br /><br />Shake things up and stop being wussies.S.H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08924701563093312588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-51418319296696613032012-09-19T08:59:47.061-04:002012-09-19T08:59:47.061-04:00I wonder how controversial the policy even is now,...I wonder how controversial the policy even is now, given the oil patch is ASKING for such a regime. That said, I understand your point.<br /><br /><br />JB<br /><br />I am not saying this should be a cornerstone issue, only part of a compelling stable of ideas. Not a question of emphasis, just commitment.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-52528397493224352132012-09-19T08:54:37.518-04:002012-09-19T08:54:37.518-04:00Well, Steve, I'll grant that Dion is the world...Well, Steve, I'll grant that Dion is the world's worst salesman and a much, much better p[itch can be made for CT. That said, I think there are other issues that would resonate better w/ voters. Broad environmental support; concern re capitulation to China's whims; aboriginal respect; water(!); etc.JimBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603665575714484326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-45156117914284230692012-09-19T08:51:28.277-04:002012-09-19T08:51:28.277-04:00Fare enough, but if you're going to push "...Fare enough, but if you're going to push "controversial" policy then you have to do a better job vetting Candidates to ensure they buy into those policies. A salesmen has to be a damned good actor/liar or believe in their product, in this case they didn't appear to believe. Certainly Dion's communication problem was part of the problem but no one else, especially local Candidates stepped up to filled the communication gap Carter Apps, dabbler of stuffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12537543127195801256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-58466462092874646692012-09-19T08:34:06.352-04:002012-09-19T08:34:06.352-04:00So, we only adopt policy if it finds universal sup...So, we only adopt policy if it finds universal support? Good luck with that, as well as a testament to what plagues Liberals imho.<br /><br />One thing I continually find with Liberal "insiders", the moment you suggest anything that denotes controversy or sticks you neck out, you are immediately met with "oh that's crazy" or "you can't do that", "you'll alienate people". Newsflash, people have left us in droves, mostly because they think we are political weatherwanes.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-58813886122042254702012-09-19T08:29:50.654-04:002012-09-19T08:29:50.654-04:00"Did we really believe in a carbon tax? Did ..."Did we really believe in a carbon tax? Did we knock on doors and emotionally defend the idea in the name of conviction, what we felt was right for the economy and society? '<br /><br />In my riding the Liberal Candidate was both unwilling and seemingly unable to defend the Carbon Tax when cornered on the policy. Bad Candidate or unconvinced Candidate? I don't know but I've heard similar tales from other ridings which makes me believe this was a policy many liberals insiders did not accept. So while a Carbon tax is the correct policy its hardly a great plank to rebuild Liberal identity around when you can't convince your own let alone the public. <br /><br />If Dion continues to push for a CT he'll end up sitting with May before the session is over.Carter Apps, dabbler of stuffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12537543127195801256noreply@blogger.com