tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post7126877567439672249..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: "Direct Challenge"? Try CapitulationSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-48539324127623103812010-02-04T11:18:54.160-05:002010-02-04T11:18:54.160-05:00Goodale today:
"This is truly a sad and path...Goodale today:<br /><br />"This is truly a sad and pathetic scramble by the Conservatives to save face after the backlash against them for shutting down Parliament. Their demand for more time in the House now directly contradicts their argument for prorogation. Liberals are here in Ottawa, today - just as we have been every day since January 25th - doing what Canadians elected us to do. It's the Conservatives who have been taking an extended holiday. Liberals will always be ready to work, including in March and April. The flip flop by the Conservatives will not camouflage their illegitimate padlocking of parliament since December."Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-66614364393565273842010-02-04T10:46:44.156-05:002010-02-04T10:46:44.156-05:00I agree that the opposition should try and extract...I agree that the opposition should try and extract some concession for agreeing. What about demanding an all party committee to deal with prorogue reforms? That would be a shrewd move, and if they refused, then they look obstructionist, the opposition off the hook.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-10113976412932080192010-02-04T07:34:33.059-05:002010-02-04T07:34:33.059-05:00Proof that Harper is not a leader. Remember way b...Proof that Harper is not a leader. Remember way back when the Cons had absolutely no policy on the environment and the polls trashed them for it, bingo, bango, Harper appoints Rona Ambrose to handle the environment issue?<br /><br />Harper, in his thurst for power, can be manipulated. The Canadians were angry so he bows.<br /><br />Talk about weak.<br /><br />Also, I think the opposition MP's would absolutely love to have that time to go at them.<br /><br />Next item for Facebook, etc. perhaps could be Harper's demeaning tactics, like the 10 percenters/support of troops. Harper hiding behind the troops.RuralSandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552973218865121867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-78436864146199891112010-02-03T22:37:09.690-05:002010-02-03T22:37:09.690-05:00Of course the opposition will agree to the changes...Of course the opposition will agree to the changes. But they should extract a price:<br />* committee restart minus the sabotage manual and tatics<br />* gov't complies with House order for info on detainees<br />* some contrition re prorogation (vague promise not to do it again would suffice)<br /><br />meet the bullying arrogance with appropriately targeted and reasonable demands that will further expose these aspiring autocrats for what they areNorthern PoVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04670080478290108536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-35868619886914997122010-02-03T21:51:42.384-05:002010-02-03T21:51:42.384-05:00Yup, I really don't see what exactly is the &q...Yup, I really don't see what exactly is the "trap" from the opposition's point of view. All the Liberals and NDP have to do is say "YES". What's not to like - its more in the opposition interest than the government's to have the House sitting as much as possible. There is no down side at all t letting parliament sit more.<br /><br />I suspect that the Liberals and NDP will say Yes instantly - I don't know if we can count on the BQ.DLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11587165866597795302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-45590243167706732722010-02-03T21:32:44.951-05:002010-02-03T21:32:44.951-05:00Comment from over at Maclean's:
"Well, ...Comment from over at Maclean's: <br /><br /><i>"Well, he is basically asking for a <b>do-over</b>, isn't he?"</i>Ted Bettshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06223729391428982448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-45299432414825408152010-02-03T21:32:03.874-05:002010-02-03T21:32:03.874-05:00What would be surprising is if the Cons even survi...What would be surprising is if the Cons even survive a confidence vote before March once parliament resumes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-20238948472829168212010-02-03T21:14:59.989-05:002010-02-03T21:14:59.989-05:00Double plus bonus: how happy do you think backbenc...Double plus bonus: how happy do you think backbench MPs are going to be with Harper over this latest PMO machination?<br /><br />They were not told about prorogation or even given a heads up about it and were even assuring Canadians not to worry about them skipping out on the Afghanistan committee because they would be back in January.<br /><br />So then there is an eruption and they are told to get out and speak with constituents where they get an earful and mockery for weak talking points. Some try to explain it, dig themselves deeper ("elitists", "need to watch the Olympics", "only shutting down democracy for a little while", etc.) and get an earful from the PMO.<br /><br />Then they see their 15% lead evaporate.<br /><br />Then they are commanded to come to Ottawa for a mandatory surprise and quickly invented caucus meeting before being told to get immediately back to their ridings.<br /><br />Having to deal with changing prorogation talking points every day.<br /><br />Some who might have expected a cabinet or sub-cabinet position finding out they got bumpkis again.<br /><br />And now the PMO tells them all that, even though we never let you speak and we treat you like crap, we aren't going to let you go back to your families for normal holidays because we have to clean up the mess we created.<br /><br />Oh, and we have to put on the double-shut-the-f**k-up muzzles on you because they figured out what we were doing with NGOs and agency appointments so abortion is back on the radar screen.<br /><br />Tell me, do you think they're happy campers right about now?Ted Bettshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06223729391428982448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-19345564586637673992010-02-03T20:32:11.606-05:002010-02-03T20:32:11.606-05:00I think that's the reaction they hope for, whi...I think that's the reaction they hope for, which is why agreeing is the best retort. Ask for the documents in return.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-36184489226429300032010-02-03T20:12:37.684-05:002010-02-03T20:12:37.684-05:00I hope the opposition doesn't acquiesce to Har...I hope the opposition doesn't acquiesce to Harper's demands. Harper created the prorogation mess. He can deal with it.Skinny Dipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12818163310102120130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-54733870082464488372010-02-03T20:07:48.609-05:002010-02-03T20:07:48.609-05:00They can't freelance, when things go off scrip...They can't freelance, when things go off script, they react like amateurs.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-38819302581718534992010-02-03T20:01:25.420-05:002010-02-03T20:01:25.420-05:00Agreed. Lotta unforced errors out of these guys l...Agreed. Lotta unforced errors out of these guys lately.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-40472515997087680082010-02-03T19:55:23.533-05:002010-02-03T19:55:23.533-05:00Another bonus, Harper will HAVE to show up for QP ...Another bonus, Harper will HAVE to show up for QP those weeks, because the optics would be horrible.<br /><br />The more I think about this, it's the gift that just keeps on giving. The PMO is a mess right now. The media are mocking their manufactured working photo ops, Harper is flailing all over trying to re-invent himself, further alienating Quebec, and this brainstorm idea.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-40197724410531738102010-02-03T19:50:57.031-05:002010-02-03T19:50:57.031-05:00Kudos Steve!
You're correct in your analysis....Kudos Steve!<br /><br />You're correct in your analysis. This "trap" is akin to placing a single banana peel on the 401 and waiting for the cars to swerve.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16984468805919067190noreply@blogger.com