tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post7982155731214337086..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: "Resentment"?Steve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-14295608166350573312008-07-20T22:47:00.000-04:002008-07-20T22:47:00.000-04:00"GH emissions are a problem, and they must be redu..."GH emissions are a problem, and they must be reduced."<BR/><BR/>Just keep repeating that, it helps with all the paranoia. It's really quite simple, no plotting required. It would have been like Mulroney trying to tackle acid rain without the Americans.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-19643273011712804952008-07-20T20:33:00.000-04:002008-07-20T20:33:00.000-04:00"I just don't see how penalizing Alberta ..."I just don't see how penalizing Alberta and Saskatchewan for sitting on a gold mine of oil & gas,<BR/>while rewarding Quebec and Manitoba for sitting on a gold mine of hydro power, reduces ghg emissions."<BR/><BR/>False framing.<BR/><BR/>GH emissions are a problem, and they must be reduced. <BR/><BR/>A carbon tax, and/or cap-and-trade will force a price carbon (appropriate as carbon does cost us), so companies will strive to reduce that cost by reducing emissions.<BR/><BR/>This has worked in other jurisdictions.<BR/><BR/>Of course, predictably, those who pollute the most complain the most.Mark Richard Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16331995640397477486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-23743579131971050462008-07-20T19:46:00.000-04:002008-07-20T19:46:00.000-04:00acidJoe tends to exaggerate, don't take it serious...acid<BR/><BR/>Joe tends to exaggerate, don't take it seriously.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-12098167476764364322008-07-20T19:21:00.000-04:002008-07-20T19:21:00.000-04:00"The ironic part, if not for the tar sands, Albert..."The ironic part, if not for the tar sands, Alberta would probably be viewed as the environmental leader in confederation"<BR/><BR/>Brilliant, Wilson.<BR/>If not for all those people he murdered, Jack the Ripper would probably be viewed as a law abiding citizen. And if my aunt had a prick she'd be my uncle.Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-57799900345196782792008-07-20T18:54:00.000-04:002008-07-20T18:54:00.000-04:00Hmmm, I think Alberta is obssessed with resentment...Hmmm, I think Alberta is obssessed with resentment, as is the 1970s are still alive. There is a genetic make up which makes great many in the population that like to see Ontario do badly, as sort of a pay back for being one of the dominate provinces in the history of confederation. <BR/><BR/>Interestingly enough if suggested Albertans where jealous of Ontario, you'd get the same reaction. <BR/><BR/>When the time comes, and the geopolitical field is changing, what happens. The same old thing, but in reverse.<BR/><BR/>I'm quite happy in Ontario, and probably have to kill myself living in such a conservative environment -- and yes I know there are those who are not. It is still part of the local culture. Trust me there is no jealousy there to see such a rich province those who need the support of governement social programs the most. <BR/><BR/>Sorry Joe, but Hamilton doesn't represent the average Ontarian. I'm quite aware of the good and the bad in Aberta.<BR/><BR/>It's a beautiful province, but far to isolated for me, and far too conservative. <BR/><BR/>What about the rate of homelessness going up in Calgary?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-8032289095915896622008-07-20T18:23:00.000-04:002008-07-20T18:23:00.000-04:00mushroomLast I read, oil needs to be 55-60 dollars...mushroom<BR/><BR/>Last I read, oil needs to be 55-60 dollars for it too make sense, and alot of these projects were hatched when it was well below 100.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-3919031994387106992008-07-20T17:09:00.000-04:002008-07-20T17:09:00.000-04:00"The way I look at, the resource is there, it isn'..."The way I look at, the resource is there, it isn't going anywhere, why not pace production to coincide with environmental responsibility."<BR/><BR/>Is production ramping up because oil is at $140 a barrel? What if it goes down to $40? Not going to say it will now, given the inelastic demand. There will be a day when oil will become what bronze was in ancient history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-90497608787521183602008-07-20T16:36:00.000-04:002008-07-20T16:36:00.000-04:00"So is it not reasonable to also think that Albert..."So is it not reasonable to also think that Albertans will use that 'innovation and forward thinking' to make the oilsands more enviro friendly, given the time to do so?"<BR/><BR/>The problem is, there isn't much time, production is ramping up exponentially as we speak. Look, the bottomline, nobody outside of the Stelmach propaganda machine believes these claims, if they did, then we wouldn't see such poor grades or criticism. It's all based on maybes and future this, and future that, when really you should have the plan first, then ramp up production. The way I look at, the resource is there, it isn't going anywhere, why not pace production to coincide with environmental responsibility. It's like money in the bank, why withdraw it all now, when it could provide the same revenue stream, just spaced accordingly.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-4585390780014142592008-07-20T15:46:00.000-04:002008-07-20T15:46:00.000-04:00"prosperity cheques'' that was a one..."prosperity cheques'' that was a one time $400 chq from Ralph Klein.<BR/><BR/>''..It's merely a desire to see Canada actually "lead" on the environment...The ironic part, if not for the tar sands, Alberta would probably be viewed as the environmental leader in confederation, some of the best innovation and forward thinking projects coming from that part of Canada...'<BR/><BR/>So is it not reasonable to also think that Albertans will use that 'innovation and forward thinking' to make the oilsands more enviro friendly, given the time to do so?<BR/>Carbon capture has already reduced ghg's = to 500,000 car's off the road. What reduction in ghg's has Kyoto produced??<BR/>Signing agreements does not reduce ghg's; new technologies do.<BR/><BR/>I just don't see how penalizing Alberta and Saskatchewan for sitting on a gold mine of oil & gas, <BR/>while rewarding Quebec and Manitoba for sitting on a gold mine of hydro power,<BR/>reduces ghg emissions.wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03589410224972050999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-67346083459357016562008-07-20T15:03:00.000-04:002008-07-20T15:03:00.000-04:00Actually I pity the poor people of that provence. ...Actually I pity the poor people of that provence. After all the natural resources they have sold over the years they only have about 40 billion in the bank and much of their land either destroyed or about to be from pollution and climat change.<BR/><BR/>If they had charged the same royalties as Russia and other smart countries they would have several times as much money in the bank and the oil sands ready to expliot just as the technology needed to do so with less impact coming on line. They would also have a relitively clean environment to enjoy as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-19461065013454426722008-07-20T12:19:00.000-04:002008-07-20T12:19:00.000-04:00joeYou're a hoot. Don't they have "prosperity che...joe<BR/><BR/>You're a hoot. Don't they have "prosperity cheques"? Myth? That doesn't equate to "free ride", just a fact.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-29232486577732352652008-07-20T12:01:00.000-04:002008-07-20T12:01:00.000-04:00Since I will be feeding some Scottish Nationalist ...Since I will be feeding some Scottish Nationalist propaganda in the next few days, I am going to say this in parallel:<BR/><BR/>"Ontario is the only province that is now worse off due to the oil boom"<BR/><BR/>Resentment?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-77614249896406514842008-07-20T11:56:00.000-04:002008-07-20T11:56:00.000-04:00I've been in Hamilton for the last week. I've met...I've been in Hamilton for the last week. <BR/><BR/>I've met so many people interviewing to go to work in the patch... They all say the same thing, "why stay here for $xx, when I can double that and pay my mortgage off in twice the time by heading out to Alberta".<BR/><BR/>One guy in the "Beer Store" says to me "you must be spending you oil cheque today". When I asked him what he meant, he replied "well, don't you guys get a cheque every year from the government?"<BR/><BR/>No... we go to work everyday, and earn our pay, just like you.<BR/><BR/>There are no free rides. I would suggest there are just as many "myths" about Alberta in the Central part of Canada, as there are in the minds of Albertans about the rest of the nation.<BR/><BR/>Me, I'll just spend the rest of the day polishing my gold plated taps, or perhaps taking a drive down our gold paved roads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-67940444311468608162008-07-20T10:56:00.000-04:002008-07-20T10:56:00.000-04:00Rather self-centered isn't it? To think that othe...Rather self-centered isn't it? To think that other provinces, especially Ontario, have Alberta on their minds every minute of their day while working, taking care of their families, etc.<BR/><BR/>Jealousy? Of what? <BR/><BR/>Oh the arrogance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-19551816922773917482008-07-20T10:45:00.000-04:002008-07-20T10:45:00.000-04:00Myths can be very powerful, and, unfortunately, th...Myths can be very powerful, and, unfortunately, they are hard to dispel.<BR/><BR/>There are a fair number of people in AB who do not think like that, however, they are not the ones in power.Mark Richard Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16331995640397477486noreply@blogger.com