tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post808662421257595570..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Farmers Support Canadian Wheat BoardSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-32783786558928601902008-06-08T10:31:00.000-04:002008-06-08T10:31:00.000-04:00Not totally surprising. Barley farmers have alway...Not totally surprising. Barley farmers have always been more supportive of an open market than wheat farmers. In part because barley is produced primarily in Alberta which tends to be more pro free enterprise than either Saskatchewan or Manitoba. I suspect the Conservatives are also attacking the CWB because the ridings affected by it they won by such astronomical margins, they are unlikely to lose them even if they anger some farmers. The reason they aren't attacking supply management is those ridings (primarily in Ontario and Quebec) they won by much smaller margins and in the case of Quebec many they are hoping to pick up. I myself favour an open market, but I would rather it be decided by the board. In terms of a dual marketing system, a system that might work is require farmers to choose one or the other, but prohibit them from operating in both. Otherwise don't sell on the open market when prices are high and then come back to the Wheat Board when they drop. Under this sytem you stay on the open market 100% of the time. I think those who flip back and forth between the Wheat Board and the open market is more where the problem could arise.Monkey Loves to Fighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122291567543761919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-15334261291063177152008-06-07T13:23:00.000-04:002008-06-07T13:23:00.000-04:00In Alberta there is a strong sentiment towards ind...In Alberta there is a strong sentiment towards independent marketing, especially in Southern Alberta.<BR/><BR/>Given we are ostensibly a free market economy, a farmer who wishes to market aside from the CWB should not be prohibited, but more importantly, should not go to jail as a result of his desire to "go it alone".<BR/><BR/>That's what piss' off the Alberta contingent, that our farmers can be jailed for daring to be different.<BR/><BR/>Eliminate the power of the CWB to jail farmers, and create a mechanism for those who want to go it alone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-80278246932587721012008-06-07T02:20:00.000-04:002008-06-07T02:20:00.000-04:00Funny turn around - it was the Tories that set up ...Funny turn around - it was the Tories that set up the CWB in the first place many years ago.<BR/><BR/>The US asked Australia to dismantle their wheat board - and Howared, former Conservative PM, told the US to rub salt. Why can't Harper stand up to the US mega corporations?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1823010894089129982008-06-07T00:54:00.000-04:002008-06-07T00:54:00.000-04:00The question still remains as to why anyone should...The question still remains as to why anyone should be forced to market their product through some quasi-governmental agency. <BR/>I have no complaint against the wheat board for those who choose to sell their product that way. I do have a problem when some bureaucracy tells a farmer that after he/she has invested ther own money and labour into an enterprise that they must then sell the product of that enterprise to some single source collective instead of taking a risk of their own choosing.<BR/>I also don't support some in and out scheme whereby you sell through the collective when prices are depressed but pull out when you see a chance to make a better return. You're either in or out, but the choice should be up to the person who makes the investment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-54252391860635364752008-06-06T18:19:00.000-04:002008-06-06T18:19:00.000-04:00""That would convince me, not some poll with quest...""That would convince me, not some poll with questions designed to skew the outcome.""<BR/><BR/>One more thing, let's forget about all these surveys and skewed votes, let's just look at the last round of Director elections for the CWB? Seems to me the single desk candidates won the day, curious that. Is that more believable for you?Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-87088536171279776432008-06-06T18:16:00.000-04:002008-06-06T18:16:00.000-04:00"That would convince me, not some poll with questi..."That would convince me, not some poll with questions designed to skew the outcome."<BR/><BR/>No, that was the one your party put out, this one is a survey of 1300 farmers.<BR/><BR/>As for Ontario, there is an mechanism in place at the CWB to ELECT representatives, if they want they system changed. This survey clearly shows that is the preferred method of the overwhelming majority, not a bunch of ideologues on their crusade. <BR/><BR/>Do you have a problem with democracy??Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-31963809063612324642008-06-06T16:53:00.000-04:002008-06-06T16:53:00.000-04:00If the CWB is so fantastic, why don't all the Onta...If the CWB is so fantastic, why don't all the Ontario farmers abandon their autonomy over their crops and join the CWB as western farmers are forced to do? That would convince me, not some poll with questions designed to skew the outcome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-83984001646769891972008-06-06T15:16:00.000-04:002008-06-06T15:16:00.000-04:00Oh yeah - more spin, truthiness and lies from Harp...Oh yeah - more spin, truthiness and lies from Harper and his Harpies.<BR/><BR/>Canada's "New" Government indeed ...<BR/><BR/>(sigh)Real_PHV_Mentarchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03128624329790456529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-91923561302715617432008-06-06T13:50:00.000-04:002008-06-06T13:50:00.000-04:00"I struggle to see how Ritz and co. could spin thi..."I struggle to see how Ritz and co. could spin this otherwise, but something tells me they'll try."<BR/><BR/>You should have heard them in QP today. That's why I went to look for this survey myself. The survey does support the barley component, but even there people want the CWB to navigate, not RITZ.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-5342206834850277282008-06-06T13:42:00.000-04:002008-06-06T13:42:00.000-04:00I don't know anything about farming, and didn't ev...I don't know anything about farming, and didn't even know of the CWB until about 2 years ago. Because of the complexity of the debate and the accusations of tilted questions, I was reluctant to take a side, fearing I didn't truly understand the situation. A poll like this is exactly what I was looking for; clear, unambigious. <BR/><BR/>I struggle to see how Ritz and co. could spin this otherwise, but something tells me they'll try.Krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07286491802596341183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-33359867656903505302008-06-06T13:24:00.000-04:002008-06-06T13:24:00.000-04:00In Alberta, farmers support the CWB by 53%-44%, in...In Alberta, farmers support the CWB by 53%-44%, in Sask 72%-27%, in Man 59%-38%. In other words, all the provinces support the CWB.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-53167132449669924432008-06-06T13:20:00.000-04:002008-06-06T13:20:00.000-04:00Actually it did break it down by province, if you ...Actually it did break it down by province, if you want to look at the link.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-7639943811166421752008-06-06T13:18:00.000-04:002008-06-06T13:18:00.000-04:00The farmers in Alberta are not happy with the Whea...The farmers in Alberta are not happy with the Wheat Board.<BR/><BR/>Not you understand the bullshit poll questions.<BR/><BR/>Harper is worried about Alberta as much or more than the leftist loons are worried about Ontario.<BR/><BR/>Why did the poll not mention anything specific to Alberta?<BR/><BR/>Why is that?Johnathonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14468885934256262056noreply@blogger.com