tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post8152889115033786111..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Green/Liberal Alliance?Steve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-61020865982516830802007-04-05T20:59:00.000-04:002007-04-05T20:59:00.000-04:00Wayward son, as much as I dislike my own provincia...Wayward son, as much as I dislike my own provincial NDP gov't, you can't actually expect either MB or SK to massively support environmental issues. It isn't going to happen.<BR/><BR/>We have <EM>much bigger problems</EM> then worrying about our air. It's _clean_ out here, there isn't any pollution.<BR/><BR/>We do have huge wait times, labour shortages, brain drain, bad highways, and a shrinking rural economy. You know, <EM>real</EM> problems that matter to people.<BR/><BR/>Please don't confuse SK or MB with Vancouver, Toronto or Montreal.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>lancelancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14481248175442820597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-67178567497000369662007-04-04T22:58:00.000-04:002007-04-04T22:58:00.000-04:00As I mentioned yesterday the Manitoba NDP was rele...As I mentioned yesterday the Manitoba NDP was releasing their budget today. I just skimmed through the document but, I can't find any increase in environmental spending. So if that is true, that leaves NDP governments 0/2 this year on that file.wayward sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00881662458488517364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-46882721187726458822007-04-04T20:57:00.000-04:002007-04-04T20:57:00.000-04:00The Green Party fielded a candidate in every ridin...The Green Party fielded a candidate in every riding in 2004 and 2006.<BR/><BR/>ANYTHING LESS IS UNACCEPTABLE FOR MANY GREEN PARTY MEMBERS.<BR/><BR/>I spoke to a few Green Party members today and every one was confused (to varying degrees) with May's political maneuvering and disappointed with the good, former Green Party members (who got thousands of votes) who are now joining the Liberals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-45501156499115540472007-04-04T18:47:00.000-04:002007-04-04T18:47:00.000-04:00C'mon, how naive can people get. Parties pretty m...C'mon, how naive can people get. Parties pretty much know how the other party is going to vote - the NDP voted against when it was safe too. <BR/><BR/>Just like the budget - the NDP and Liberals knew the BLOC would support it - so they were safe to vote against.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-3369839311842765792007-04-04T17:42:00.000-04:002007-04-04T17:42:00.000-04:00Yer right that it's only $308,000 t' field a full ...Yer right that it's only $308,000 t' field a full slate. Gettin' candidates who can get 100 signatures, gettin' them signatures, signing on an official campaign financial officer (a legal requirement, I think) can be a chore for a small, loosley organized party and des require some significant assistance from the national party organization.<BR/><BR/>These things are quite simple for a party with the membership of the LPC or CPoC. They represent hurdles for a party with a fraction of the number of card-carrying members.<BR/><BR/>JBJimBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603665575714484326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-45718258954077413762007-04-04T16:48:00.000-04:002007-04-04T16:48:00.000-04:00JBNoted, but that's not exactly a large expenditur...JB<BR/><BR/>Noted, but that's not exactly a large expenditure per riding, refundable too, not to mention 100 signatures. Given the Greens popularity, that is a paltry amount, wouldn't you say? I guess I erred in saying no effort at all, maybe I should qualify it, not much in the scheme, and certainly not something unachievable that would "drain" limited resources.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-86104508936463450802007-04-04T16:24:00.000-04:002007-04-04T16:24:00.000-04:00"Just put a name up, invest nothing..."It ain't qu..."Just put a name up, invest nothing..."<BR/><BR/>It ain't quite that simple. Candidates must get 100 signatures from riding residents who agree to having them on the ballot and they must post a $1000 bond.<BR/><BR/>From <A HREF="http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=gen&document=ec90790&dir=bkg&lang=e&textonly=false" REL="nofollow">Elections Canada</A> --<BR/><BR/>"The nomination papers must be signed before a witness by at least 100 persons who are electors entitled to vote in the riding in which the candidate is seeking nomination.<BR/><BR/>...<BR/>A candidate is also required to pay a deposit of $1,000. This is reimbursed only if the candidate's official agent submits the Candidate's Electoral Campaign Return (EC 20120) and related documents to the Chief Electoral Officer and unused official tax receipts to the returning officer within the time prescribed."<BR/><BR/>It requires work, time an' cash up front.<BR/><BR/>JBJimBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603665575714484326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-10279822923395831732007-04-04T15:26:00.000-04:002007-04-04T15:26:00.000-04:00"They are overstretching their resources bif time ..."They are overstretching their resources bif time and could easily not run in ridings where they get under lets say 2% of the vote or even 1% and there are lots of those ridings."<BR/><BR/>SB<BR/><BR/>That makes no sense. Just put a name up, invest nothing, and you are still assured votes, which translates into capital, via the financing laws. You aren't overstretching, because you have little expenditure in marginal ridings, yet you actually raise money through a candidate. If you are looking at pure economic health of the party, then it's a complete no brainer to run in all the ridings, unless of course you have an aversion to money.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-71763816341248170722007-04-04T15:09:00.000-04:002007-04-04T15:09:00.000-04:00daleIt should come back on the frontburner once Pa...dale<BR/><BR/>It should come back on the frontburner once Parliament reconvenes. I suspect Baird will release the government plan, hoping the other monkey business gets lost in the shuffle.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-71058896466187906582007-04-04T14:55:00.000-04:002007-04-04T14:55:00.000-04:00np ;)np ;)JimBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603665575714484326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-32943997976446849112007-04-04T14:41:00.000-04:002007-04-04T14:41:00.000-04:00JB - I am sorry, I did not intend for my comment t...JB - I am sorry, I did not intend for my comment to be anything more than a joke (in looking at my post I see I forgot the smiley face),<BR/><BR/>Also, I was not referring to my post but to the topic of the thread.<BR/><BR/>No offence intended.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-943265629970736432007-04-04T14:03:00.000-04:002007-04-04T14:03:00.000-04:00May is definately not in talks withthe NDp and par...May is definately not in talks withthe NDp and particularly dislikes Jack Layton from what I have heard. Also since her deputy leader is running against Brionny Penn in Sannich Culf Islands, I doubt there is much talk of a coalition with the Liberals either. As far as not running in all the seats, that would be the smartest thing the Green Party has done in a long time. They are overstretching their resources bif time and could easily not run in ridings where they get under lets say 2% of the vote or even 1% and there are lots of those ridings.S.K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00696246515215639169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-20399994350839496822007-04-04T13:48:00.000-04:002007-04-04T13:48:00.000-04:00I've read (or skimmed) many of your lengthy, overw...I've read (or skimmed) many of your lengthy, overwrought essays in which you go on about how Layton is some sort of Harper syncophant or his "bitch." And, yes, that strikes me as a personal attack, even though it pales next to the level of vitriol elsewhere. You ignore the fact that the NDP has been voting against CPC bills since Day One. But I won't bother trying to convince you, since you've long since made up your mind that regardless of what Layton does, he must be working to help Harper achieve his majority, however inadvertently.JGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00273619697804064873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-14205162928266021652007-04-04T13:24:00.000-04:002007-04-04T13:24:00.000-04:00Josh Gould:If that is my new low on personal attac...Josh Gould:<BR/><BR/>If that is my new low on personal attacks, I am still far, Far FAR above what appears to be the norm in the blogosphere. Thank you though for such touching concern about the matter now. Incidentally, if you are a regular reader of this blog then you know I have done many comments detailing exactly why I have problems with Layton, what actions of his vis a vis the Harper CPC have bothered me over that period, and how I see him as selling out the principles that his party always stood for. Therefore, since I have already detailed them out repeatedly here I felt no need to do so again when by putting the word "bitch" in quotes in that context it would be clear that this was I was referring to.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, a personal attack is when you attack someone on personal characteristics and not over their political decisions. My entire reason for the "bitch" use was directly in relation to his actions as NDP leader and not regarding his personal life. So your criticism is not only foolish it is incorrect to boot. <BR/><BR/>BTW, what is it with you and this need to claim I have hit a new low in personal attacks? Given the amount of nonsense that we see online that are truly personal attacks this line of yours on this point was really out to lunch. Next time you want to accuse someone of reaching a new low in personal attacks, you might want to be sure it is a personal attack in the first place because this time out you were wrong. Thanks for playing Miss Manners though for us all, I am sure everyone else here is oh so grateful to you for it, I know I am... (yes, that was sarcasm)Scotianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06284856315992405261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-32400001211452548582007-04-04T13:11:00.000-04:002007-04-04T13:11:00.000-04:00SteveThat's what I was saying. If the Government t...Steve<BR/><BR/>That's what I was saying. If the Government takes any action to scuttle this amended bill, it <I>should</I> create an uproar, unless the opposition parties and the MSM let it die quietly. Call me a cynic, but that's what I think will happen. The MSM isn't really reporting on this at the moment and only the NDP has anything on their website regarding C-30 and the amendments. This is the closest we've come to having anything of substance to combat Global Warming and it looks like the Government will kill it and the Opposition Parties will be complicit, so they can campaign on the Environment in the next election. I hope I'm wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-91431646548217215392007-04-04T12:51:00.000-04:002007-04-04T12:51:00.000-04:00Douglas/Trudeau coalition re: Charter of Rights, e...<I>Douglas/Trudeau coalition re: Charter of Rights, etc.</I><BR/><BR/>You mean the <I>Lewis</I>/Trudeau coalition, right? Douglas wasn't even in Parliament by the time the constitution was patriated from London, which happened, incidentally, during a <B>majority</B> Liberal government. Oh well, never let facts get in the way of an attempt to portray Layton as Harper's "bitch" (you've sunk to a new low in your personal attacks, Scotian).JGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00273619697804064873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-60525060648484635062007-04-04T12:28:00.000-04:002007-04-04T12:28:00.000-04:00Douglas/Trudeau coalition re: Charter of Rights, e...Douglas/Trudeau coalition re: Charter of Rights, etc.<BR/><BR/>Keeping social services is key to the NDP - so what the hell is Layton doing?<BR/><BR/>May once said that a "Harper majority scares the hell out of her".<BR/><BR/>She was a Mulroney Conservative, so she knows the difference between progressive and Harper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-17982120104007483982007-04-04T12:07:00.000-04:002007-04-04T12:07:00.000-04:00Gayle sez - "I think JB is going to show up and tr...Gayle sez - "I think JB is going to show up and trash this post..."<BR/><BR/>I ain't sure how t' take that, Gayle. Sure, Earth Mother Lizzie May's the gal I adore but my adoration can be tempered. I am a GPC member and I vote in a riding with very little Green presence -- not even an EDA. The Reform/Alliance/RegressiveConservatives didn't start out by running in 308 ridings and look where they are now.<BR/><BR/>If there's no GPC candidate in my riding, it will bother me. I won't go ballistic, like Peter sez. (Lizzie sez she don't wanna hear any o' that military jargon like "war chests" and "war rooms", btw.) I'll be disappointed not to have my party on the ballot. Lucky for me, the Grits could be running a local bright light, Dr. Eric Hoskins, against Diane Finley. Hoskins was with Doctors Without Borders and WarChild Canada. I might vote for him even if the GPC DOES run a candidate here.<BR/><BR/>$1.75/year ain't a fortune. Increased party membership and donations could make up the shortfall if we don't run in every riding and somehow get fewer total votes than 2004, 2006.<BR/><BR/>Yer trashed. I guess. Whatever that means.<BR/><BR/>JBJimBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603665575714484326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-2315958682237083352007-04-04T11:40:00.000-04:002007-04-04T11:40:00.000-04:00daleI'm not a procedural expert, but I've read tha...dale<BR/><BR/>I'm not a procedural expert, but I've read that the Tories have options to scuttle the Act if they choose, or render it essentially useless.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-9014651350005252892007-04-04T11:10:00.000-04:002007-04-04T11:10:00.000-04:00True, but prior to her they only got 11% of the vo...<I>True, but prior to her they only got 11% of the vote in 2000. Despite the NDP being even stronger in Nova Scotia at that time - winning 3 seats. Alexis was a very strong candidate, one of the best in the country from any party, and tripled the NDP vote count. It would take an even stronger NDP candidate to improve on her result and topple McKay. Sorry, but I don't think that the NDP will be able to find a better candidate than Alexis for Central Nova for many years to come.</I><BR/><BR/>You still misunderstand - the NDP has gained a lot of ground in the rural mainland over the past few years and has never been stronger in NS than it is right now. Alexis was certainly a strong candidate, but it should be patently obvious that the NDP has significant strength in the area independent of her. <BR/><BR/><I>I don't see it as a problem, afterall, Tommy Douglas did it to keep Conservatives out of power in order to save social programmes.</I><BR/><BR/>When and where did he do that? And if May's goal is to keep Conservatives out of power, why doesn't she just endorse Liberal, NDP, or even Bloc candidates nationwide and be done with it?JGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00273619697804064873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-55609718291823568202007-04-04T11:09:00.000-04:002007-04-04T11:09:00.000-04:00wayward son,"I recognize that we will have to make...wayward son,<BR/>"I recognize that we will have to make some sacrifices in order to: 1. improve the environment 2. get representation in parliament. 3. get proportional representation."<BR/><BR/>I just don't get why a alliance with the Liberals is going to help you do this. 1. They've repeatedly shown that they care more about their partisan performance than anything else. 2. They've consistently minimized the need for and blocked the progress of proportional representation for federal elections. Seems like there's only one party calling for PR in parliament ....<BR/><BR/>"Canada's already tenuous record on the environment in the eyes of the rest of the world."<BR/><BR/>And whose responsiblity is this? Mulroney - nope he's the best environmental PM ever. Can't be the NDP, never held power. Seems like a strange dance partner for a Green party to meMark Greenanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03937027367953070283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-54318012390416484022007-04-04T10:08:00.000-04:002007-04-04T10:08:00.000-04:00SteveSo why wouldn't the amended Act get passed? J...Steve<BR/><BR/>So why wouldn't the amended Act get passed? Just curious. It has the support of all the opposition parties and the last time I counted, their combined total of seats outnumber the Government's. What can the CPC do to scuttle this? Refuse to bring the amended bill before the House? If they do that, won't that give the Opposition and Environmentalists and the media something to feast on? The only way I can think of how this doesn't get passed is if the all the parties in the House let this fall off the radar and the media ignores it. But, maybe there is something I'm missing here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-86235372376454368362007-04-04T08:37:00.000-04:002007-04-04T08:37:00.000-04:00I don't see it as a problem, afterall, Tommy Dougl...I don't see it as a problem, afterall, Tommy Douglas did it to keep Conservatives out of power in order to save social programmes. Jack Layton is so high on his own ego that he wouldn't consider what Tommy Douglas did, yet he claims to be the party of Tommy Douglas and uses Douglas' stature for his own gain.<BR/><BR/>The Green Party would then get more recognition in they are in parliament, show their stuff, and go back to being their own party.<BR/><BR/>Might be a long range plan and a more direct path to being at least a recognizable and gain as many if not more seats than the NDP down the road.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-76454148862103210822007-04-04T02:45:00.000-04:002007-04-04T02:45:00.000-04:00May does not want to be elected, that's obvious. S...May does not want to be elected, that's obvious. She'll do fine by cashing in on $1.75 a vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-64344567659378663962007-04-04T01:16:00.000-04:002007-04-04T01:16:00.000-04:00The idealistic wayward son's comments to the contr...The idealistic wayward son's comments to the contrary, I'm with Peter. <BR/><BR/>Any deal brokered by May with the Liberals is political suicide. Stupid is about the nicest I can describe it.<BR/><BR/>The Green Party is first and foremost a <EM>political</EM> party, second is the environmental issue.<BR/><BR/>Anyone who doesn't realize that is peeing into the wind.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>lancelancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14481248175442820597noreply@blogger.com