tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post834828715467346362..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Gun Registry PollSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-11261787506377933962010-10-08T11:54:14.053-04:002010-10-08T11:54:14.053-04:00Manitoba is holding it's third Gun Amnesty Mon...Manitoba is holding it's third Gun Amnesty Month this October. Last time the amnesty campaign ran, back in 07, over 300 unused long-guns were brought in and countless rounds of ammunition. <br /><br />The registry acts as a responsibility mechanism for owners. When a gun is stolen and used in a crime, part of the blame falls on a negligent owner. When Hennessey and Cheeseman provided Roszko with firearms, the registry was used to link them to the murders of 4 RCMP officers at Mayerthorpe. Had the guns not been registered, perhaps Hennessey and Cheeseman could be walking around today, lurking around Alberta with armed maniacs like Roszko. <br /><br />True, the LGR did not stop the crime from happening, but that is not it's intention. Anyone mistaking the LGR for some sort of pre-crime institution is either a.) kidding themselves, or b.) being willfully ignorant for the sake of spreading ideology over facts.<br /><br />"Is this a hot button urban issue in the next election? I don't think so, but it could be in rural ridings."<br /><br />I wouldn't be too sure. I'm positive the LPC will use this in KW and Kitchener-Centre to energize those Liberal voters who stayed home in 08 to push out CPC incumbents. This issue is just another feather in the cap of former urban LPC ridings that were lost to Conservatives in the last election, and (hopefully) prevents urban vote-splitting with the NDP as they come out clear on this issue.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16984468805919067190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-30768577592596039322010-10-08T09:17:11.900-04:002010-10-08T09:17:11.900-04:00At least this guy "gets it"
Credit Face...At least this guy "gets it"<br /><br />Credit Facebook<br /> <br /> <br />The Gazette October 8, 2010 <br /> <br />Re: "Gun registry proves its worth" (Letters, Oct. 7). With all due respect, <br /><br />the credit for the arrest of David Abitbol should go to Facebook, not the gun registry. <br /><br />As a matter of fact, the social network has saved more lives and prevented more tragedy in the last few years than the gun registry did in the last 15 years! And it doesn't cost taxpayers anything to operate. <br /><br />Michel Trahan VerdunPaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409532493819715587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1810167475696904302010-10-07T10:32:41.207-04:002010-10-07T10:32:41.207-04:00"You go with "the poliice said" so ..."You go with "the poliice said" so it must be good, and ignore every other source of information."<br /><br />Someone who claims the only reason the Chiefs support the registry is because of monetary interests should not be complaining about how other people support their arguments.<br /><br />By the way, the police will seize your automobile if it is not registered and insured.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-35761656352227753562010-10-07T10:07:16.285-04:002010-10-07T10:07:16.285-04:00This from the guy who thinks a voluntary release i...This from the guy who thinks a voluntary release is seizure, that two thirds of Canadians are idiots, that our men and women in uniform are both idiots and liars, that despite over 80 years of the gun registry the cops are just waiting, anxiously waiting for that moment when they can seize all guns from innocent law abiding citizens because somewhere at sometime in some other country someone sort of did something similar (the evilness there was the registry which caused the police state, not the other way around of course).<br /><br />But we agree on one thing. You are wasting your time. No one here will put on your tin foil hat. Goodbye.Ted Bettshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06223729391428982448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-71505422235549530692010-10-07T10:03:18.107-04:002010-10-07T10:03:18.107-04:00"Guess I won't bother anymore, you don..."Guess I won't bother anymore, you don't have any idea what you are talking about..."<br /><br />Please stop wasting your time with people who live in the blue sky world Paul, you can't help us. Thanks for trying, and say hi to the unicorns in your fortress that you've created.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-81469435687032923642010-10-07T10:01:26.295-04:002010-10-07T10:01:26.295-04:00"Aside from appropriate criminal checks, it i..."Aside from appropriate criminal checks, it is still just as easy to buy, own and operate a gun as it is a car."<br /><br />WOW.....<br /><br />You do live in Canada right?<br /><br />Guess I won't bother anymore, you don't have any idea what you are talking about...Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409532493819715587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-82314236571102163642010-10-07T09:57:31.172-04:002010-10-07T09:57:31.172-04:00If you think the registry is a precursor to seizin...If you think the registry is a precursor to seizing your long guns, you sir are an absolute delusional idiot. That's my answer :) Seriously.<br /><br />Registry is always a precursor to guns being taken from the public. <br /><br />Do alittle reading...maybe start with Britian and Germany and get back to me what happen there. <br /><br />(This won't happen of course cause you have an "idealogy" which is not based on facts)<br />You go with "the poliice said" so it must be good, and ignore every other source of information.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409532493819715587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-5167731828203912362010-10-07T09:52:46.433-04:002010-10-07T09:52:46.433-04:00I always marvel at people and their fiction "...I always marvel at people and their fiction "causes", that they devote themselves to. What's worse, the way they form a delusional circle jerk, and reinforce the delusion because they find other like-minded cranks. This is becoming more a psychology study than a debate about long guns IMHOSteve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-26112625866163208562010-10-07T09:50:13.408-04:002010-10-07T09:50:13.408-04:00Paul:
It's not confiscation or seizure if the...Paul:<br /><br />It's not confiscation or seizure if there is in fact no confiscation or seizure.<br /><br />It's not an ideological or partisan point. It's a vocabulary point.<br /><br />In the 80 years of the gun registry, no one is stopping you from getting a gun - long gun or handgun. There is no campaign to confiscate guns. Period. It is a conspiracy theory as laughable as 911 Truthers. Aside from appropriate criminal checks, it is still just as easy to buy, own and operate a gun as it is a car. Conservatives think guns and gun safety concerns should be treated less seriously cars and car safety concerns.Ted Bettshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06223729391428982448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-23188152026479441612010-10-07T09:49:26.887-04:002010-10-07T09:49:26.887-04:00Great idea...
Why don't we register all the b...Great idea...<br /><br />Why don't we register all the beer cans in canada cause when people drink and drive we can use the beer can registry to help stop that.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409532493819715587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-19341521385259697892010-10-07T09:45:28.972-04:002010-10-07T09:45:28.972-04:00If you think the registry is a precursor to seizin...If you think the registry is a precursor to seizing your long guns, you sir are an absolute delusional idiot. That's my answer :) Seriously.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-89685909803745510442010-10-07T09:45:21.822-04:002010-10-07T09:45:21.822-04:00"It speaks volumes that the Harperbots can’t ..."It speaks volumes that the Harperbots can’t shut up about the LGR. Anything to distract the public from the real issues."<br /><br />LOL...enter the drone. <br />Are you even capable of not putting a political spin on everything?Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409532493819715587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-80482804148732434892010-10-07T09:43:06.126-04:002010-10-07T09:43:06.126-04:00No it doesn't do, because NOBODY has ever ment...No it doesn't do, because NOBODY has ever mentioned seizing firearms, that's a paranoid delusion that you keep interjecting to justify your position.<br />So answer my question then!!<br /><br />Where did all the .25 and .32's go?<br /><br />Or do you even know what I am talking about.<br /><br />The police in Toronto are giving gun owners a choice....give up your guns or face charges for paper crimes, so the owners "opted" to give up their guns....did they want to, of course not!<br /><br />Let me know how this stops the real problem. (gangs/handguns/drugs)<br /><br />"Kooky."<br /><br />...and putting a piece of paper beside a longgun somehow stops handgun crime committed by gang members, is a great thing and will reduce gun crime in our city's.<br /><br />Or are you going to say that the registry was never ment for that?<br /><br />Kooky is a great word....Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409532493819715587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-84018028242045108512010-10-07T09:22:32.407-04:002010-10-07T09:22:32.407-04:00Debating corporate tax cuts when our current rate ...Debating corporate tax cuts when our current rate is much lower than the US, EU or any other G8 nation:<br /><br /> - 6 comments<br /><br />Harper’s controlling nature and resulting secretive nature of his government (breaking his 2006 promise of greater transparency):<br /><br />- 13 comments<br /><br />Discussion of the strategy of using the long-gun registry as an election issue:<br /><br />- 46 comments, and counting<br /><br />Economy on life-support, massive deficit, runaway spending from a supposedly conservative government. Is this really the most pressing issue to the average Canadian right now? <br /><br />It speaks volumes that the Harperbots can’t shut up about the LGR. Anything to distract the public from the real issues.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-49886820736422370382010-10-07T09:20:41.679-04:002010-10-07T09:20:41.679-04:00AS I said Ted....nothing will to you.AS I said Ted....nothing will to you.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409532493819715587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-47550361071064678752010-10-07T09:20:01.691-04:002010-10-07T09:20:01.691-04:00"I'm sure this won't do as an answer ..."I'm sure this won't do as an answer though...nothing ever will."<br /><br />No it doesn't do, because NOBODY has ever mentioned seizing firearms, that's a paranoid delusion that you keep interjecting to justify your position. It's total and complete nonsense, you have no real evidence, no quotes, no intent, no movement, no legislation, no grassroots movement to support, NO NOTHING, just this weird American militia-like mentality that fears gov't for it's own sake, rather than an substantive evidence.<br /><br /><br />Kooky.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-2045481529571628372010-10-07T08:24:25.596-04:002010-10-07T08:24:25.596-04:00Good news Paul. You are right. Your answer doesn&#...Good news Paul. You are right. Your answer doesn't do as an answer.<br /><br /><i><b>"Confiscation"</b>: Seizure and expropriation of private property by a government or its agency as a punishment for breach of a law. In confiscation, a property is expropriated (see expropriation) without the consent of its owner and (unlike in condemnation) usually without any compensation."</i> <br /><br />If asking people to give up their guns and then those people voluntarily choose to do so, it isn't confiscation.Ted Bettshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06223729391428982448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-24597469980823595702010-10-07T02:48:24.973-04:002010-10-07T02:48:24.973-04:00Bull sh*t Prarie kid. Now that you have guareentee...Bull sh*t Prarie kid. Now that you have guareenteed that 90% of the people have no idea , prove that statement before you flab your jaws on spin handed to you by the Reforatories Alliance CRAP party.<br /><br /> Man are you guys out to lunch and I would say desperate while the ship is sinking big time for your beloved Con party and your dictator leader. <br /><br />I would be ashamed to call myself a supporter of this half baked party and a member of Harpers party. It will soon prove to be very embarassing to his supporters.mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07878825121729826425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-16477723996270877032010-10-07T00:45:47.321-04:002010-10-07T00:45:47.321-04:00"The CACP has show it's cards and has to ..."The CACP has show it's cards and has to many other interests to be deemed creditable. (they get to much money from sources that are conflicts of interest such as CGI (gun registry computers) and taser international.}"<br /><br />CGI, the company that designs the software used to operate the gun registry, once donated a bunch of Celine Dion tickets to the CACP at one of their conferences. In total it amounted to somwhere around 200+ dollars/active member. Because of this donation, people like Paul believe the police chiefs now support the registry.<br /><br />That's right. People like Paul believe over 400 police chiefs in this country sold out their integrity for a chance to see Celine Dion.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-7702111128101410532010-10-06T22:59:03.205-04:002010-10-06T22:59:03.205-04:00"We've had a gun registry for nearly 80 y..."We've had a gun registry for nearly 80 years and no confiscation campaign. Try again."<br /><br />...so where did all the .32 and .25 calibre guns go back in the mid 90's?<br /><br />What about this....<br /><br /><br />ctvtoronto.ca<br /><br />The latest crime prevention project by Toronto police took aim at registered gun owners who opted to give up their firearms. <br /><br />Police have seized about 400 guns since March after knocking on the doors of registered firearm owners. <br /><br /><br />Sounds alot like confiscation to me...<br /><br />Lot easier to take guns from law abiding people than actually address the gun crime and gangs in toronto. <br /><br />I'm sure this won't do as an answer though...nothing ever will.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409532493819715587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-80105126264008790072010-10-06T22:13:29.190-04:002010-10-06T22:13:29.190-04:00"I don't see very many upsides in this po..."I don't see very many upsides in this poll for the Tories."<br /><br />I'm not of upside necessarily, but I'm less certain this is the slam dunk result some on our side see.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-10300666520044283392010-10-06T22:06:42.675-04:002010-10-06T22:06:42.675-04:00Hey Paul, with respect to that bogeyman of fearmon...Hey Paul, with respect to that bogeyman of fearmongering on confiscation, either you really are wearing your tinfoil hat or the geniuses who have that plan are moving so very very slowly with the plan to use the registry to confiscate guns that no one has noticed.<br /><br />We've had a gun registry for nearly 80 years and no confiscation campaign. Try again.Ted Bettshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06223729391428982448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-35160500584921651472010-10-06T22:04:04.093-04:002010-10-06T22:04:04.093-04:00In case anyone might be wondering what Stephen Har...In case anyone might be wondering what Stephen Harper thought about the long gun registry before he needed to desperately cling to it in order to raise funds and hold onto his base:<br /><br /><a href="http://cowboysforsocialresponsibility.blogspot.com/2010/10/when-stephen-harper-was-writing-policy.html" rel="nofollow"><i>"...the cost of licensing must be borne primarily by firearms users themselves. Those who are not gun owners should not be forced or even asked to subsidized those who do exercise this freedom."</i><br /><br /><i>"There must be higher priority on the right of Canadians to public safety than on the right to own and use firearms."</i></a>Ted Bettshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06223729391428982448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-36510563858498892532010-10-06T22:03:27.809-04:002010-10-06T22:03:27.809-04:00I don't see very many upsides in this poll for...I don't see very many upsides in this poll for the Tories.<br /><br />Forced to think about the long gun registry, Canadians are generally supportive. <br /><br />But the Tories knew that, that's why their message was that they weren't scrapping gun control but only the registry.<br /><br />Almost half of Tory supporters don't buy that argument. 47% of Tories support the retention of the long gun registry.<br /><br />It's hard to agressively use the gun registry as a wedge when Harper needs the younger, female Tory voters who tend to support it. <br /><br />And I do wonder how gun owners are suddenly experts on homicde and suicide.C4SRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12311119899148565198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-4600854070399802532010-10-06T19:56:25.134-04:002010-10-06T19:56:25.134-04:00BTW... here is the answer to the question...
Old ...BTW... here is the answer to the question...<br /><br />Old FAC had a better rate of firearm license refusals than our new 2 billion dollar (and counting) firearm laws.<br /><br />Refusal rate under the old FAC was <br />.76%<br /><br />Refusal rate now under current law is .27%<br /><br />So we are now leaving even more guns in the hands of people who should not have them....<br /><br />Funny the "experts" maybe forgot to tell the public this....<br /><br />Oh well...lets go smoke a joint, toddle off, and leave the gun stuff to the "experts".Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409532493819715587noreply@blogger.com