tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post8532923216612518959..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: And, The Attacks BeginSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-85024633805135317412008-06-09T19:44:00.000-04:002008-06-09T19:44:00.000-04:00justinIt fits nicely with their website. Let's fa...justin<BR/><BR/>It fits nicely with their website. Let's face it, it's all they know.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-39693888276972076712008-06-09T02:31:00.000-04:002008-06-09T02:31:00.000-04:00WOW! Those ads are creepy. They seem like a joke. ...WOW! Those ads are creepy. They seem like a joke. Who thought it was a good idea? It seems so juvenile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-12362427191198467842008-06-08T19:55:00.000-04:002008-06-08T19:55:00.000-04:00"It's not surprising, the new Conservative Party i..."It's not surprising, the new Conservative Party is predicated on the negative, it's never been about ideas, just reactions to what people don't like."<BR/><BR/>This is what you get when the Party hires Saatchi and Saatchi to do the ads for you. Same tactic that the Thatcherites used in Britain. The sad thing is that Labour got into power using the same thing.<BR/><BR/>The Grits may need to do the same. Anyone has David Axelrod's number?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-6827031053219482192008-06-08T16:11:00.000-04:002008-06-08T16:11:00.000-04:00ScottI just thought about that, and then I saw BCL...Scott<BR/><BR/>I just thought about that, and then I saw BCL commenting too, and I think he heard the idea elsewhere. I sure hope they are considering that, because I must say, with what is happening now, the sales job has gotten a whole lot harder. If the goal is too curb consumption, I think we are seeing that in spades at the moment. The only missing element, instead of oil companies paying their share, they are actually making more profits. I really hope the Liberals tailor the plan to the present circumstance.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-69873105376929297682008-06-08T16:04:00.000-04:002008-06-08T16:04:00.000-04:00Steve:I'm curious.. has a "Carbon floor' version o...Steve:<BR/><BR/>I'm curious.. has a "Carbon floor' version of the carbon tax idea that you're advocating been put into implementation or practise elsewhere, or is it just a theory of an idea that we'd be putting into affect for the firs time, if we went that route?Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-72050767506174545922008-06-08T14:57:00.000-04:002008-06-08T14:57:00.000-04:00Couple of points - Steve & the Ditto Heads have an...Couple of points <BR/>- Steve & the Ditto Heads have an opposition mentality - they have no positive constructive agenda<BR/>(Sorry, I forgot they like to spend Billions on no-bid, sole source defense contracts - & pay a premium for the honour) <BR/>- What passes for an agenda with Steve & the Ditto Heads is to withdraw & shrink the fed Gov.<BR/>- Steve & the Ditto Heads mush have internals that scare them $HITLE$$<BR/>- The new ad, now, must show that even amongst Steve & the Ditto Heads' core support some traction for Dion's position<BR/>- On the surface Steve & the Ditto Heads seem to have framed Dion's message - but not so fast, this may be a strategic blunder- the policy isn't out yet. Yes, this ad will <BR/>frame some of the debate, but this actually allows Dion's policy a trial balloon to remove some of the more easy to criticize bits prior to it being announced.<BR/>- Dion is not a politician in the traditional sense, all these negative personal ads may ironically work in his favor in a campaign - he will talk about policy substance & correctly<BR/>point to Steve & the Ditto Heads & say: let Steve & the Ditto Heads focus on personality, here's what I think a fed Gov. should do.JimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-82319776479706175502008-06-08T14:03:00.000-04:002008-06-08T14:03:00.000-04:00"... don't you find it odd that in 2 1/2 years not...<I>"... don't you find it odd that in 2 1/2 years not one positive ad, despite all these apparent achievements."</I><BR/><BR/>It makes sense to me. The Conservative <I>Government</I> is using tax-payer money to do the positive ads. The Conservative <I>Party</I> is using donations to do the negative ads.<BR/><BR/>As to the spin re Harper and Big Oil. My point is that you won't make any more progress with that kind of rhetoric. Liberal pollster Michael Marzolini told your caucus retreat in NFLD last summer to talk more about policies. He was right.<BR/><BR/>Dion has to understand that he is auditioning for Prime Minister. One thing a PM does is advocate and explain policies. Dion talks more like an analyst.Calgary Junkiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14036174847335286409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-37888650610820470092008-06-08T13:24:00.000-04:002008-06-08T13:24:00.000-04:00"So now, you are reacting with this spin about how..."So now, you are reacting with this spin about how Harper is in the pocket of Big Oil. "<BR/><BR/>That's spin? Hey, you're in Calgary, what's Harper approval rating there? Nuff said.<BR/><BR/>As for the positive stuff, that's fine and dandy, but given the huge war chest, don't you find it odd that in 2 1/2 years not one positive ad, despite all these apparent achievements. I predict the nastiest campaign we've ever seen, and I use everything we have seen to date as proof. It's not surprising, the new Conservative Party is predicated on the negative, it's never been about ideas, just reactions to what people don't like.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-13414533121726242602008-06-08T13:20:00.000-04:002008-06-08T13:20:00.000-04:00My take on some of this:The Conservative Party is ...My take on some of this:<BR/><BR/>The Conservative <I>Party</I> is doing most of the negative ads now, but will do a lot less during the election campaign. At that time you will see the positive, meaty policy-related stuff and the warm-and-fuzzy stuff featuring Harper's family, and the like.<BR/><BR/>The Conservative <I>Government</I> is doing some of the policy messaging now (anti-drug, pro-Immigration reform kind of stuff)<BR/><BR/>These tv ads will probably pay for themselves, just like the anti-Senate tv ads did. <BR/><BR/>You guys keep making the same mistakes--you don't define Dion, so we define him for you; you don't explain your Carbon Tax, so we do it for you. So now, you are <I>reacting</I> with this spin about how Harper is in the pocket of Big Oil. <BR/><BR/>Dion had to be proactive, get out front on this Carbon Tax and advocate, advocate, advocate. And explain, explain, explain. It would have helped if he had all the details hammered out first, before delivering his mom-and-apple-pie speeches about taxing bad things more, good things less.Calgary Junkiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14036174847335286409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-36681619920003568072008-06-08T12:47:00.000-04:002008-06-08T12:47:00.000-04:00The NDP environmental plan is not very strong as i...The NDP environmental plan is not very strong as it only targets a fraction of the problem, it ignores the fact that industry will pass costs on to consumers and in doing so does not plan for the tax credits and shifts that are then necessary to protect low-income Canadians, and it doesn't give a high priority to acting now. <BR/><BR/>Layton gave the example of Ontario and Quebec being able to implement a cap and trade system quickly. We will see if they manage to meet their 2010 goal for implementation, but at best this timetable suggests that Canada won't have a cap and trade until two years after a government is elected which is committed to one.<BR/><BR/>The Green plan is much better. We'll see what the Liberals plan is, but Dion has hinted that, like the Green plan, it will tackle much more of the problem, address the implications for low-income Canadians, and have a component which can be implemented right away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-73426034542843926832008-06-08T12:08:00.000-04:002008-06-08T12:08:00.000-04:00I suppose that there is also a "trickle down" when...I suppose that there is also a "trickle down" when we make companies have high health and safety standards and pay a $10 minimum wage - doesn't change the fact that these are good policies.<BR/><BR/>Whether there is trickle down or not - the fact remains that the NDP will have a very simple and attractive message in the next election. I'm just talking about the politics of it. <BR/><BR/>Liberals want to make the average working person pay, the Conservatives want to do nothing and the NDP wants to go after the big corporate polluters. <BR/><BR/>Just keep repeating that over and over and over again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-36320302201818860002008-06-08T12:01:00.000-04:002008-06-08T12:01:00.000-04:00anonAnybody who thinks there isn't a trickle down ...anon<BR/><BR/>Anybody who thinks there isn't a trickle down with cap and trade is deluding themselves.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-51724973098565056102008-06-08T11:57:00.000-04:002008-06-08T11:57:00.000-04:00The NDP will have a field day on this issue. All t...The NDP will have a field day on this issue. All they have to do is say that the Liberals want to address global warming by making the average person pay even MORE for home heating fuel and gas. It's all about making the "little guy" pay the price. The Tories on the other hand propose doing NOTHING. <BR/><BR/>If you are concerned about climate change and you want to see the big corporate polluters get hit with the burden of paying the price for dealing with it - the NDP is there with a catchers mitt to scoop you up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-64986368823174627152008-06-08T11:36:00.000-04:002008-06-08T11:36:00.000-04:00Cap and Trade is a good idea... but implementation...Cap and Trade is a good idea... but implementation is a bitch. The European Union has so far completely failed with theirs. There are simply too many loopholes, and too much voluntary compliance; otherwise, it is a red tape nightmare to implement. Also, Cap and Trade focused on big emitters fails to do anything about large, non-industry aggregate sources, such as millions of Canadians driving cars, which enables our high carbon output suburban lifestyles.<BR/><BR/>The Dion Carbon Tax Shift is straight out of the Green Party policy book: tax carbon, but reduce income taxes. People can then choose to spend their tax reduction on carbon, or to reduce their footprint. It places the onus on personal responsibility... and isn't that a Conservative mantra?<BR/><BR/>This can't be the only policy in place, though. Some sort of a Cap and Trade system should be but in place, in anticipation that there will be global commodity trading market in carbon offsets.Mark Richard Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16331995640397477486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-26511985195975935622008-06-08T11:24:00.000-04:002008-06-08T11:24:00.000-04:00"So...if I don't like Dion's carbon tax, but I DO ..."So...if I don't like Dion's carbon tax, but I DO want action on climate change - all i have to do is vote NDP"<BR/><BR/>One small caveat, the NDP will never be able to implement their plan.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-6707423817546028892008-06-08T11:13:00.000-04:002008-06-08T11:13:00.000-04:00So...if I don't like Dion's carbon tax, but I DO w...So...if I don't like Dion's carbon tax, but I DO want action on climate change - all i have to do is vote NDP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-13175601865663919132008-06-08T11:07:00.000-04:002008-06-08T11:07:00.000-04:00My god those gas pump ads are creepy! North Korea...My god those gas pump ads are creepy! North Korea style. This could be the Consevatives 'jumping the shark moment'. But I could be wrong. Sure am glad not to be in Canada right now, scary.Blues Clairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08053624911945551511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-563307998047360352008-06-08T10:20:00.000-04:002008-06-08T10:20:00.000-04:00Oh, this website___________________[whois.cira.ca]...Oh, this website<BR/>___________________<BR/>[whois.cira.ca]<BR/>Status:EXIST <BR/>Registrar: Netfirms, Inc.<BR/>Registrar-no: 978850<BR/>Registrant-no: 2333671<BR/>Domaine-no: 233367<BR/>Subdomain: willyoubetricked.ca<BR/>Renewal-Date: 2009/05/28<BR/>Date-Approved: 2008/05/28<BR/>Date-Modified: 2008/06/01Organization: Conservative Party of Canada <BR/>Description: <I>Harper panics</I> <BR/>Admin-Name: Norm Funk <BR/>Admin-Title: <BR/>Admin-Postal: #1204 - 130 Albert Street <BR/>Ottawa ON K1P 5G4 Canada <BR/>Admin-Phone: 613-755-2000<BR/>Admin-Fax: <BR/>Admin-Mailbox: willyoubetricked@gmail.com <BR/>____________________<BR/><BR/>Kids will be kidssassyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10423260743909863283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-33516668738116915592008-06-08T09:51:00.000-04:002008-06-08T09:51:00.000-04:00"Funny how you don't like the Cons website, yet yo..."Funny how you don't like the Cons website, yet you offer no proof it isn't true."<BR/><BR/>Call me crazy, but it would be nice to have an adult conversation. If it's so "true", why do you have to resort to silliness? I mean, this is the level of debate the Cons have to offer? Very impressive, I'm sure our international partners are equally smitten.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-29871450449372022562008-06-08T09:40:00.000-04:002008-06-08T09:40:00.000-04:00Funny how you don't like the Cons website, yet you...Funny how you don't like the Cons website, yet you offer no proof it isn't true.<BR/><BR/>Dion DOES want to raise taxes on everything from food to gas to Jack laytons mustache trimmer.<BR/><BR/>Dion is going to get killed in the next election.<BR/><BR/>But in reality, I think that is what his caucus members want.Johnathonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14468885934256262056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-48125092132191089032008-06-08T09:38:00.000-04:002008-06-08T09:38:00.000-04:00Dion doesn't really have to propose a plan. He jus...Dion doesn't really have to propose a plan. He just has to show up on photo-ops with Charest, McGuinty, Campbell, Doer, and say that he will support their plans. That's it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com