tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post869956326666518233..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: New PollSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-17341704264087331802009-06-24T21:12:22.432-04:002009-06-24T21:12:22.432-04:00There was also Liberal support of Bill c15 which I...There was also Liberal support of Bill c15 which I know ticked me off. Perhaps some Liberals drifted NDP? Sure the back tracking from Harper on stuff was not helpful either. I think it was a few things altogether.Woman at Mile 0http://womanatmile0.amfresh.ca/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-66855473908410339352009-06-24T19:21:11.373-04:002009-06-24T19:21:11.373-04:00Rural Sandi, in this case I think the media just w...Rural Sandi, in this case I think the media just wanted the summer off for a change. And that's the reason they were pretty much going to pillory whosoever was viewed as causing an election and ruining everything. Can't totally say I disagree with that sentiment personally.A readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088629072037720322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-7134429590662835822009-06-24T17:15:01.502-04:002009-06-24T17:15:01.502-04:00For what it's worth, Harper always does better...For what it's worth, Harper always does better when parliaments out - but some things are surfacing - if the people would only pay attention.<br /><br />I think the media wants a blood bath.<br /><br />If Ignatieff aided in a summer election the media would trample all over him for it.<br /><br />They're like children - want action all the time.RuralSandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552973218865121867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-90763810993523488902009-06-24T17:06:51.062-04:002009-06-24T17:06:51.062-04:00Come the fall, we'll all have a better idea as...Come the fall, we'll all have a better idea as to whether Harper is able to change his ways and practise this new style of politics, but I doubt it. In he doesn't and the plans for a national standard for EI don't materialize, Ignatieff has to take a stand once and for all and try to defeat him for the sake of Canada's future.LMAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-933077041540281332009-06-24T16:56:15.473-04:002009-06-24T16:56:15.473-04:00I suppose. I just dislike the whole "shoot th...I suppose. I just dislike the whole "shoot the messenger" mentality we all seem to revel in these days when it comes to scrutinizing our media. Some interviews are going to be diamonds and others will be rocks. I can accept that. Our political leaders need to adopt the Marine ethic of improvise, adapt and overcome! Ignatieff is supposedly a smart guy, surely he can turn the tables on curmudgeonly old Craig Oliver if an interview isn't exactly going his way. Well, one would think he could anyway.sjwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16425560486235905508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-61671211602939130922009-06-24T16:35:06.993-04:002009-06-24T16:35:06.993-04:00sjw
I wonder how you square that perspective with...sjw<br /><br />I wonder how you square that perspective with the interview on QP, wherein he completely contradicts what you provided in your link. I mean, is Ignatieff displaying a sense of making Parliament work, rising above, or is he just weak? Sometimes I think the media finds a misguided need to play the contrarian, rather than stick to their instincts.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-68831056055310787542009-06-24T16:31:43.425-04:002009-06-24T16:31:43.425-04:00Not that I necessarily agree with Oliver here in r...Not that I necessarily agree with Oliver <a href="http://bcinto.blogspot.com/2009/06/video-craig-oliver-makes-some-sense.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> in regards to last weeks happenings that averted a summer election, but I think he makes some very valid points. <br /><br />I think most of us are afflicted from time to time with having days in our working lives that are less than stellar. Craig Oliver I'm sure isn't any different.sjwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16425560486235905508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-63351617676310337692009-06-24T16:02:24.869-04:002009-06-24T16:02:24.869-04:00Oliver was a colossal tool in that interview. How...Oliver was a colossal tool in that interview. How many times can you ask the same question? All Ignatieff could say "I don't see it that way Craig". Time to retire, clearly time.<br /><br />I think the Liberals can use Ignatieff's non-career politician approach, his obvious lack of calculation relative to Harper, as an advantage. There's a massive appetite for doing things differently, the Liberals should really hammer home this point- mostly because Ignatieff is a natural fit, he wears it well.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-13891857253598127622009-06-24T15:48:56.601-04:002009-06-24T15:48:56.601-04:00After watching Ignatieff's 21 June interview o...After watching Ignatieff's 21 June interview on CTV's Question Period which is posted today on this blogsite, I am beginning to think that his new style of politics, i.e., co-operating to work for Canadians rather than forcing an election, is puzzling everyone and being mistaken for weakness. While his desire to work for Canadians is laudable, at some point he will have to forget co-operating and get more aggressive if he is ever to defeat Harper.LMAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-57636813039498083702009-06-24T15:16:26.201-04:002009-06-24T15:16:26.201-04:00Definitely the Liberals took a momentum hit last w...Definitely the Liberals took a momentum hit last week, but its not super-easy to pin-point the exact cause. Is it from:<br /><br />a) People thought we were going to force an election, at the beginning of the week<br /><br />b) People upset we didn't force one later in the week<br /><br />c) The Penguins won the Stanley Cup.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971310821484459106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-35233540388527107452009-06-24T14:38:10.656-04:002009-06-24T14:38:10.656-04:00Oh geez, I meant British Columbia ;) 36%-33%Oh geez, I meant British Columbia ;) 36%-33%Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-25783176980302500622009-06-24T14:34:33.933-04:002009-06-24T14:34:33.933-04:00Steve, you wrote:
"I should have mentioned, t...Steve, you wrote:<br />"I should have mentioned, this poll also shows the Liberals doing very well in Quebec, neck and neck with the Conservatives.".<br /><br />I think you mean "neck & neck" with the Bloc - not the Cons.penlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07830912393649649485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-271111491102140182009-06-24T14:23:44.786-04:002009-06-24T14:23:44.786-04:00I should have mentioned, this poll also shows the ...I should have mentioned, this poll also shows the Liberals doing very well in Quebec, neck and neck with the Conservatives. This isn't the first pollster to show that so it's encouraging.<br /><br />I honestly think, and I said this prior, that Ontario will really be a campaign decided province. Everyone has reason for optimism, but the support is so soft, how you perform will be the only real key.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-71651396080828143722009-06-24T14:08:39.941-04:002009-06-24T14:08:39.941-04:00But would the people disenchanted with recent Libe...But would the people disenchanted with recent Liberal performance be the people that would give the Harperites a look anyway? I tend to think these are progressives that have gone back to their traditional support group(s). As you say it is just one poll, but Jesus, Ontario is starting to confound me as much as BC does when it comes to offering support to this incompetent government.sjwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16425560486235905508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-48217499868297964252009-06-24T13:51:52.417-04:002009-06-24T13:51:52.417-04:00sjw
One thing to consider, the Ontario numbers ha...sjw<br /><br />One thing to consider, the Ontario numbers have been really volatile for months now, so this ebb isn't necessarily real. The only part I find different, we have yet to see a bleed for one of the principles that doesn't go to the other. It could mean the Liberals suffered from events of the past couple weeks, but voters are so disenchanted with the Conservatives, they looked elsewhere. Afterall, part of the Liberal resurgence in Ontario has come at the expense of the NDP, so we might be seeing a return to more traditional support. A big caution on that though, it's just one poll.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-41523157343633213532009-06-24T13:48:33.642-04:002009-06-24T13:48:33.642-04:00Cons 37% (36%)
Libs 35% (43%)
NDP 20% (14%)
Greens...Cons 37% (36%)<br />Libs 35% (43%)<br />NDP 20% (14%)<br />Greens 8% (5%)<br /><br />Wow<br /><br />I certainly don't like to see those Ontario numbers dip like that in such a short period of time. But if the left of center folks feel there is little difference between Ignatieff's Liberals and Harper's Conservatives then they will drift back to the NDP and the Greens. With September not very far away the party better come up with something over the summer to recapture and secure the progressive vote.sjwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16425560486235905508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-65315026036561197392009-06-24T13:28:30.077-04:002009-06-24T13:28:30.077-04:00Reader
That might be true, if NDP supporters were...Reader<br /><br />That might be true, if NDP supporters weren't pointing to THIS outfit last time, ignoring everything else, when it showed a positive score. As for reliability and sample size, I'd say EKOS has a pretty good record, and their last offering only had a MOE of 3% (put the NDP at 9%). All I'm saying, you have to take them all in totality, not just pick what you want, ignore what doesn't jive with your personal want.<br /><br />penlan<br /><br />I think the last couple of weeks killed our momentum, for the first time since Ignatieff took the helm. With the summer coming, and the opposition no longer able to capitalize only the daily Parliament bruising of the government, the Liberals need to be proactive. It's essentially a pre-writ period, let's not just assume the chosen path to date will suffice. My instincts tell me that will be a big mistake.<br /><br />anon<br /><br />Harper's negative score has been horrible for months, relatively Ignatieff is still well placed. My only concern, he now has a nice gap on economic management, and that is THE issue.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-87000607650267248992009-06-24T13:19:42.275-04:002009-06-24T13:19:42.275-04:00I think it's reasonable to cherry-pick the Qué...I think it's reasonable to cherry-pick the Québec poll by the Québec polling firm with the best reputation and largest sample size, on the other hand.A readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088629072037720322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-24955983988595275052009-06-24T13:13:05.370-04:002009-06-24T13:13:05.370-04:00I think Ignatieff really caused himself, & the...I think Ignatieff really caused himself, & the Party, some harm in the final week before break. Coming out strong in demands for EI changes & then the appearance of backing down & really little mention of his other demands including the isotope crisis. This is the result of that & it made him look weak, not sticking to his words - non-decisive. Not good. Any more like this, the gung-ho in-your-face rhetoric & then backing off will be the end of any chances for the Libs to win in the next election. People don't forget those kind of things. Plus the Cons will play this stuff in attack ads, "waffling" etc. Not a leader meme.penlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07830912393649649485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-9614561250014897752009-06-24T13:10:16.962-04:002009-06-24T13:10:16.962-04:00Iggy had a bad week or two. I wouldn't draw to...Iggy had a bad week or two. I wouldn't draw too much from the Lib-NDP back-and-forth swings. When an election is on, those numbers will tighten up again.<br /><br />Harper's negative momentum is -28. Yikes!!!<br /><br />It's time for piano lessons and sweaters again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com