tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post8891968825346731211..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Kyoto's New AllySteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-15405538236154207862007-02-15T09:14:00.000-05:002007-02-15T09:14:00.000-05:00... and putting together a plan will gaurantee tha...... and putting together a plan will gaurantee that the targets are met?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-59388769785834961832007-02-15T00:54:00.000-05:002007-02-15T00:54:00.000-05:00Steve, long term is no longer an option.The gov't ...Steve, long term is no longer an option.<BR/><BR/>The gov't is required to implement Kyoto now (or will be once Senate and GG pass and sign it).<BR/><BR/>BC better come up with a different plan, one that hits 33% in 5 years.lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14481248175442820597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-86065329605672275662007-02-14T22:20:00.000-05:002007-02-14T22:20:00.000-05:00"at least with these type we can get a lot closer"..."at least with these type we can get a lot closer"<BR/><BR/>It's an effort, as opposed to the hands are tied, think long, long term crowd.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-61450394207986806702007-02-14T22:16:00.000-05:002007-02-14T22:16:00.000-05:00These targets won't meet Kyoto on time, but had we...These targets won't meet Kyoto on time, but had we introduced as aggressive a targets earlier we could have met Kyoto and at least with these type we can get a lot closer. Off course for Harper he likes to use it is too difficult to achieve so he can do nothing.<BR/><BR/>Interestingly enough that is one more centre-right politician to jump on the environment bangwagon (David Cameron, Arnold Schwartznegger) and I am sure there are others. Off course Harper seems to want to join in with the worse ones, i.e. Bush, Cheney, and Howard.Monkey Loves to Fighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122291567543761919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-51476014673926659792007-02-14T21:58:00.000-05:002007-02-14T21:58:00.000-05:00"I just saw the BC Premier on TV and when asked if..."I just saw the BC Premier on TV and when asked if we should try to meet Kyoto he said it really doesn't matter."<BR/><BR/>And, I agree with this, the debate isn't Kyoto, it's getting something done, that works for Canada. It just so happens alot of what is proposed use the same baseline and the percentages aren't completely alien.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-27803073074781013782007-02-14T21:57:00.000-05:002007-02-14T21:57:00.000-05:00"I think your title is quite misleading because he..."I think your title is quite misleading because he is not doing anything in the name of Kyoto."<BR/><BR/>Literally no, but practically these measures counter the naysayers who only talk of "long term". If B.C. actually meets these targets then change will have to come quickly.<BR/><BR/>I have said many times that meeting the Kyoto targets is largely unrealistic at this point, but that fact doesn't detract from actually trying. Initiatives like these tell the world Canada is quite serious, and given our somewhat unique circumstance, these goals are reasonable. The Conservative meme is we would destroy our economy with tough, quick change, we need to be "realistic". The B.C. example suggests we can make a huge dent in a practical way, and in this way Kyoto defenders have some ammunition.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-3462661945900383942007-02-14T20:22:00.000-05:002007-02-14T20:22:00.000-05:00Um...And how many of those nations are net energy ...Um...<BR/><BR/>And how many of those nations are <B>net energy (read: oil) exporters?</B><BR/><BR/>Seems like your head is in the sand wayward son.<BR/><BR/>There are Liberals out there who oppose Kyoto or recognize that it is time to move beyond and come up with something more realistic.<BR/><BR/>Yet, I don’t see any party (except the Green's) talk the real tough talk. Carbon tax...Green tax shifting etc. Only one leadership hopeful mentioned those words.<BR/><BR/>I’m not sure if it is wise for our party to fight an election over Kyoto.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-91280490693446891362007-02-14T19:55:00.000-05:002007-02-14T19:55:00.000-05:00hearhere, "Kyoto calls for -6% below 1990 levels. ...hearhere, <BR/><BR/>"Kyoto calls for -6% below 1990 levels. It is the most draconian target of all of the signatories." <BR/><BR/>Really?<BR/><BR/>Japan's target was -6%, same as ours<BR/><BR/>But almost every other industrialized country had a target more "draconian" then Canada's:<BR/><BR/>UK -8% below 1990 (from 1990 to 2004 they reduced emissions by 14%)<BR/>Germany -8% below 1990 (from 1990 to 2004 they reduced emissions by 17%)<BR/>Sweden -8% below 1990<BR/>Luxembourg -8% below 1990<BR/>France -8% below 1990<BR/>Italy -8% below 1990<BR/>Greece -8% below 1990<BR/>Netherlands -8% below 1990<BR/>Portugal -8% below 1990<BR/>Finland -8% below 1990<BR/>Belgium -8% below 1990<BR/>Austria -8% below 1990<BR/>Ireland -8% below 1990<BR/>Spain -8% below 1990<BR/>Denmark -8% below 1990<BR/><BR/>Could it be that another head in the sand conservative doesn't have a clue what he or she is talking about? Woefully so I'm afraid.wayward sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00881662458488517364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-86539238683202484072007-02-14T18:59:00.000-05:002007-02-14T18:59:00.000-05:00I just saw the BC Premier on TV and when asked if ...I just saw the BC Premier on TV and when asked if we should try to meet Kyoto he said it really doesn't matter. He was more interested in seeing us do something here at home. I think your title is quite misleading because he is not doing anything in the name of Kyoto.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-81450164828648914752007-02-14T17:55:00.000-05:002007-02-14T17:55:00.000-05:00"Woefully so I'm afraid"No, it closes the gap on i..."Woefully so I'm afraid"<BR/><BR/>No, it closes the gap on inaction and the 10% reduction in the extra eight years is significant. It gets us close, which is a HELL of alot more than the Harper hands in the air approach.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.com