tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post8896375836020405639..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: "Mr. Speaker, the long, tiring, unproductive era of bickering between the provincial and federal governments is over."Steve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-45778010950104728122007-06-06T09:16:00.000-04:002007-06-06T09:16:00.000-04:00What speaks volumes to me - I read that Casey was ...What speaks volumes to me - I read that Casey was talking to his wife about a proposal the CPC were giving him - she asked if it was in writing and he said no.<BR/><BR/>Obviously, Casey doesn't feel his party are to be trusted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-12689978607883535192007-06-06T08:25:00.000-04:002007-06-06T08:25:00.000-04:00In defence of the Conservatives he did deserve to ...In defence of the Conservatives he did deserve to be thrown out of caucus. I would think it is another matter of principle that you cannot indicate you do not have confidence in the government and still remain part of that government.<BR/><BR/>I felt the same way when Jean Chretien turfed John Nunziata, who also indicated he did not have confidence in the government when he voted against a Liberal budget.<BR/><BR/>Still, the political optics are horrible for the Conservatives and I have no problem with that.<BR/><BR/>As well, the real fun is going to happen in the coming weeks as we see where Mr. Casey ends up. Does he remain an independent? What party, if any, does he run for in the next election? <BR/><BR/>Fun and games.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-59195889097087792212007-06-05T22:21:00.000-04:002007-06-05T22:21:00.000-04:00As a side note, May now has something healthy to c...As a side note, May now has something healthy to chew on with MacKay. <BR/><BR/>I added an update of Sask's Calvert's comments.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-85950476826122241322007-06-05T22:20:00.000-04:002007-06-05T22:20:00.000-04:00"We will not throw a member out of caucus for voti...<I>"We will not throw a member out of caucus for voting his conscience," MacKay said. "There will be no whipping, flipping, hiring or firing on budget votes as we saw with the Liberal government." <BR/><BR/>Casey told reporters that because of the mixed message between Hill and MacKay "there's a conflict here. They haven't decided yet."<BR/><BR/>However, when Hill spoke with reporters to announce Casey was no longer in the Tory caucus the prime minister's chief of staff was standing nearby watching and listening to the scrum.</I><BR/><BR/>Canada?Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-68297542124956918342007-06-05T21:53:00.000-04:002007-06-05T21:53:00.000-04:00"Hill says Casey resisted a number of tries to tal..."Hill says Casey resisted a number of tries to talk him out of his stand."<BR/><BR/>Scooped that from your blog Scott. Talk him out of his stand? So, they <I>were</I> putting the screws to him...sad. Duff has the let out of the meeting on tape...won't be played again though. <BR/><BR/>You either stand for something or you don't. Comuzzi did the same thing. I disagree with him, but he stood for what he believed. They know the risk.<BR/><BR/>I wonder what Casey will do? Comuzzi...old and will move on. Casey, popular and more so now.<BR/><BR/>Wait and see I guess.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-48865571965518233062007-06-05T21:26:00.000-04:002007-06-05T21:26:00.000-04:00Yes they did, and late breaking news, he's been ex...Yes they did, and late breaking news, he's been <A HREF="http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/05/what-happens-to-a-principled-conservative/" REL="nofollow">expelled</A> from the Conservative Caucus - which as I said at my blog (in a slight partisan jab of course) was not unexpected.Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-3085453720747697542007-06-05T20:14:00.000-04:002007-06-05T20:14:00.000-04:00Really? That was the vote tonight? I thought it ...Really? That was the vote tonight? I thought it was a technicality sort of vote. I didn't see the whole thing and certainly did not see him not stand...couldn't find him.<BR/><BR/>Did the rest of the House applaud?<BR/><BR/>When's the next vote, Thursday?Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-22933968572710229452007-06-05T20:03:00.000-04:002007-06-05T20:03:00.000-04:00He just voted against the government on a money bi...He just voted against the government on a money bill. That by definitions is a vote of non-confidence on the government. So it will be interesting to see if the Conservatives keep him in caucus.<BR/><BR/>After all, it would be very odd to indicate you do not have confidence in the government and then stay with that same government.<BR/><BR/>As for the effect of this on the other MPs, the damage has already been done. <BR/><BR/>If he sticks to his principles and it leads to changes in the budget then they will look weak for not joining him in his efforts.<BR/><BR/>If no change to budget is forthcoming and he sticks to his principles and votes against the government again it will put the lack of principle of the other Conservative MPs from the affected provinces in sharp contrast.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-21082664819006948462007-06-05T19:51:00.000-04:002007-06-05T19:51:00.000-04:00The spin has been feeble and won't hold up. I thi...The spin has been feeble and won't hold up. I think Casey is quite courageous, given what we've heard of this government.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if he'll be booted from caucus, perhaps that high powered meeting with Hill, MacKay and Flaherty, was to provide him with a stragety to sit it out, or, maybe it was to strongarm him, in a party sort of way.<BR/><BR/>If he's not kicked out, he still took a principled stance where other did not. He'll be shunned by the hardliners. If he is, well you can be darned sure he'll have the support of his constituents.<BR/><BR/>How many PC's are left in that caucus anyway? Depending on how this is handled, it may be the tip of the iceberg.<BR/><BR/>Political moves to an extent, to be sure, but it was nice to see NDP and Lib members defending him. He seems to garner genuine respect.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.com