tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post9220652697732058576..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: In Case You Missed ItSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-72300614375695315872008-10-16T20:19:00.000-04:002008-10-16T20:19:00.000-04:00libThis has nothing to do with leadership, just ha...lib<BR/><BR/>This has nothing to do with leadership, just happy to have more authenticity in our MP ranks, a force for change.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-53572874962410287342008-10-16T19:49:00.000-04:002008-10-16T19:49:00.000-04:00With regards to Kennedy he is an appealing potenti...With regards to Kennedy he is an appealing potential candidate, but I am not sure that he is ready for primetime. I think he is a risk, but still a valuable asset to the party now. Rae and Iggy are the safe choice to rebuild the party, as we cannot afford to make another mistake.liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-81702257445162744992008-10-16T19:46:00.000-04:002008-10-16T19:46:00.000-04:00No matter what happens and who takes over, the par...No matter what happens and who takes over, the party needs to keep its progressive ideals. This doesnt mean moving further to the left, but being the ol fiscally prudent, but socially progressive along with a strong environmental purpose. Keep Dion's idealism, but find someone better to sell it.<BR/><BR/>I do not know about the whole grassroots thing, because the heads of whatever party it may be, make policy. They may gather ideas, but the grassroots never have a real say when push comes to shove. Take Dion for example, when did any of us get to decide the a carbon tax was a good policy move? Dion didnt even listen to his caucus. (Yes I agreed with the GShift and still do). I do believe that the party needs to engage its members with more townhalls and other types of events. Also, have a policy conference to gather up those ideas, brainstorm. Those on top need to stop believing that they have all the answers, but I doubt that will come to pass. <BR/><BR/>I have said my piece about Dion, its time to go. I admire Dion and if he needs time then fine, but not too much time. I hope they will move up a leadership review and change the rules from a delegate vote. Financially and logistically it makes the most sense. Rae or Iggy might be the best choice to rebuild the party. Then the next generation will have time to mature into leaders. I am still surprised that Tobin and Rock continue to sit on the sidelines. Like I said before Manley or McKenna will try and drag the party back to the Martin era, so I am not to keen on that. Tory Lite as someone called it doesnt really appeal to me, but it might come to pass.liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-16738104269355958862008-10-16T19:30:00.000-04:002008-10-16T19:30:00.000-04:00Jilted lover? I don't quite follow the reference,...Jilted lover? I don't quite follow the reference, but based on your comment I'm not sure where you believe we've strayed from the right?<BR/><BR/>We are still a party that believes in wealth creation, trade, market forces and fiscal discipline. None of that has been cast aside, in spite of how you may view the leader.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-19165688672839917142008-10-16T19:19:00.000-04:002008-10-16T19:19:00.000-04:00knb, you sound like a jilted lover. I put the ess...knb, you sound like a jilted lover. I put the essence of this comment on your site as well because I tend to read both yours' and Steve's sites. I'm concerned that we're going to make the same mistake of moving the party too far left. I don't have a problem with traditional areas where the Liberal Party has always been progressive and we can be out in front on the environmental issue. But we need to make sure that we don't cede the center to Harper. We do that and next time he'll get his majority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-82415307231597791272008-10-16T18:38:00.000-04:002008-10-16T18:38:00.000-04:00Gee anon, where have I seen that comment before?Gee anon, where have I seen that comment before?Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-74055753773397643712008-10-16T18:12:00.000-04:002008-10-16T18:12:00.000-04:00The next Liberal leader has to be on the center, c...The next Liberal leader has to be on the center, center-right of the political spectrum. This unite the left stuff makes the Liberals a left-wing party. The Liberals are not a left-wing party. So no Bob Rae or Dosanj. Iggy runs afoul of the Liberal strong central government policy and because of that is rejected by too many party members. I doubt he can win the nomination.<BR/><BR/>Anyway they need someone with the proven political skills. Dion just wasn't up to the task. Before him, neither was Martin. Martin didn't move the party to the centre, centre-right. If anything he moved it to the left, which was as surprising as it was unsuccesfulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-9083566806236332052008-10-16T16:56:00.000-04:002008-10-16T16:56:00.000-04:00Your post almost made me cry, this is a great man,...Your post almost made me cry, this is a great man, and I hope to see him at the helm of the Liberal PartyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-61246502699942091422008-10-16T16:52:00.000-04:002008-10-16T16:52:00.000-04:00I'm thrilled to see him going to Ottawa. With him...I'm thrilled to see him going to Ottawa. With him comes that real desire for change and I suspect that he'll find a way to shake things up.<BR/><BR/>BCL - I'd read somewhere that he was still working on his French, but it had improved.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-38467229180116540072008-10-16T16:50:00.000-04:002008-10-16T16:50:00.000-04:00Let's hope Gerard sits the next leadership debate ...Let's hope Gerard sits the next leadership debate out, along with all the hopefulls others from last time.<BR/><BR/>I supported him in 06, but his support of Dion was a terrible move. Give him 10-15 solid years of Ottawa experience and he will be a solid leader.<BR/><BR/>As for who should be the next leader, beats the hell out of me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-9927546365919732522008-10-16T16:43:00.000-04:002008-10-16T16:43:00.000-04:00I get it: "cutlery drawer".When I think back to th...I get it: "cutlery drawer".<BR/><BR/>When I think back to the convention a lot of younger Liberals felt that electing Dion was a sign of the grassroots taking over rather than power brokers selecting a winner. <BR/><BR/>Politics has changed. If the Conservatives have one thing figured out it is the importance of the grassroots. This is the source of fundraising not corporations. This election was the first in which bloggers had a major impact by highlighting plagiarism and forcing candidates to quit. This is another manifestation of the grassroots.<BR/><BR/>It would be a mistake to try and do a reset of the party based on 20th century practices when it needs to look to the 21st century realities to become the NGP for this century.Constant Vigilancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03839753866104400007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-33316152134024824882008-10-16T16:41:00.000-04:002008-10-16T16:41:00.000-04:00It's a shame if Dion runs away.It's a shame if Dion runs away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-48343647717403210232008-10-16T16:35:00.000-04:002008-10-16T16:35:00.000-04:00I've heard his French was awful. Any idea if he's...I've heard his French was awful. Any idea if he's been brushing up?bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-23887081269902572782008-10-16T15:55:00.000-04:002008-10-16T15:55:00.000-04:00Who will Gerard crown king next? Tobin? Carole Tay...Who will Gerard crown king next? Tobin? Carole Taylor? Ignatieff? Just a possible spin off to the 'How I met Your Leader' tv sideshow...burlivespipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18048415779214466831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-43021683447942824462008-10-16T15:53:00.001-04:002008-10-16T15:53:00.001-04:00Yes, it is good for the environment - recycling si...Yes, it is good for the environment - recycling signs is cool by me!Ashley_Wilkes-Boothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12473323290899848325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-17501572059717129452008-10-16T15:44:00.000-04:002008-10-16T15:44:00.000-04:00Good for the environment ;) I doubt it was by acc...Good for the environment ;) I doubt it was by accident.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-54315228993227603352008-10-16T15:41:00.000-04:002008-10-16T15:41:00.000-04:00Sorta wished he didn't use the Gk signs from the c...Sorta wished he didn't use the Gk signs from the convention, but he's excused being that he's not as well financed as Rae and Ignatieff. <BR/><BR/>-scott<BR/>thescottrossthescottross.blogspot.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08632822060893291800noreply@blogger.com