tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post1397105520749965242..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Things To ConsiderSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-20555362244897404802008-10-23T23:19:00.000-04:002008-10-23T23:19:00.000-04:00milesI don't think we should write off British Col...miles<BR/><BR/>I don't think we should write off British Columbia, but when you look at where our membership has really fallen apart, it's Quebec. It's about time we weren't so passive about it, and did start thinking outside of the fortress ridings, this is the first real opportunity post-sponsorship. I agree on Ontario, we can flip many seats back, just not the sweep scenarios that used to mask other problems.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-86339969701112198422008-10-23T21:27:00.000-04:002008-10-23T21:27:00.000-04:00I think we need to focus on every region. Certain...I think we need to focus on every region. Certainly I agree that Quebec is fertile ground, however we need to focus on areas off the island of Montreal, where I think we have potential, but it will require work. As for Ontario, we won't sweep it again anytime soon, but surely we can do better than winning only six seats outside the GTA. Ideally we should win the overwhelming majority of ridings in the GTA and about half outside of the GTA. Even if we cannot win in rural Eastern Ontario, there is absolutely no reason we cannot win in smaller centres like Kitchener, Barrie, St. Catharines, London, Brantford, Sarnia, and Peterborough.<BR/><BR/>Also we cannot keep on writing off Western Canada. This worked for Trudeau since he could sweep Quebec and worked for Chretien since he swept Ontario. As long as the Bloc Quebecois exists, we won't sweep Quebec again either, so we need to win some seats in the West. I agree Alberta is mostly a lost cause, but I think British Columbia and Manitoba are fertile grounds. I also think Saskatchewan might be more favourable after the next boundary re-distribution. If they got rid of the split urban-rural ridings and instead had all ridings either entirely urban or entirely rural, then we might be able to win some of the urban ones.Monkey Loves to Fighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122291567543761919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-9404733097778248012008-10-21T18:15:00.000-04:002008-10-21T18:15:00.000-04:00I have serious reservations about both Rae and Ign...I have serious reservations about both Rae and Ignatieff. That said, both have obvious strengthens and I would be happy with either at this point. Both are excellent communicators and both speak better French than Harper. <BR/><BR/>As to the question as to what the Liberals can hope for the next time out, I do not think a weak minority is out of the question given the economic times we live in. In order for that to happen though a few things will have to happen. The Liberals will have to rebound and more in suburban Vancouver, recover in Winnipeg, take 50 seats in Ontario and fill the void in Quebec.Kobyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03407275645274060038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-9959823818190645232008-10-21T13:08:00.000-04:002008-10-21T13:08:00.000-04:00I still can't figure out what the point of Coderre...I still can't figure out what the point of Coderre running would be. There is no appetite for another francophone, and his appeal outside of Quebec would be miniscule to say the least. Given his known affinity with Iggy, I don't see how a run increases his profile. Outside of a vanity exercise, a run lacks any practicality, that I can see.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-86678430882870844592008-10-21T12:45:00.000-04:002008-10-21T12:45:00.000-04:00I think the points that have been made over the pa...I think the points that have been made over the past few days that a new leader is only a bandaid are valid. (This doesn't mean I am changing my opinion of Dion). Perhaps an Iggy or a Rae can, I dare say fluke out a win the next go round. I hope the reports that one will support the other depending on the circumstances are true. My belief is that we need to make incremental improvements seat wise and party wise. If we can regain out seat total of around 100 seats next time, then that would be a victory in a sense. Then work our way to minority status, then a majority. We could be on the outside for about 4 to 5 years. If we can keep the CPC to a minority in that time period then we hopefully can minimize the damage they may create. It's a four point rebuilding process, leader/team, policy, finances, local organization. If we only change the leader, then we have failed. My hope is a McKenna or Manley stay out of it, as they will be viewed as saviours. Ideally, a Rae, Iggy or Kennedy can be caretakers/rebuilders who can then leave the party in good hands for the next generation. In the meantime, they can clease the party of some of the deadwood i.e. then "insiders" and those MPs just hanging around growing their pensions. Finally, I would be surprised if Coderre would run against his buddy Iggy. I have zero respect for Coderre and I wish he would just go away.liberazzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798202757576009552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-22204322200664204132008-10-21T09:04:00.000-04:002008-10-21T09:04:00.000-04:00The fact that there is a Liberal gov in Toronto ma...The fact that there is a Liberal gov in Toronto may be one of the reasons there is a Con one in Ottawa. Historically, during the long reign of the Cons in Toronto, Ottawa was Lib, something about a balance of power. The federal Libs will take Ont again, after McGuinty is gone.Jerry Pragerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054428435443042500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-7623103294325820912008-10-20T23:50:00.000-04:002008-10-20T23:50:00.000-04:00jeffI think Dion was asked this question & sai...jeff<BR/>I think Dion was asked this question & said no to him contesting the leadership.JimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-71066731872758959572008-10-20T23:19:00.000-04:002008-10-20T23:19:00.000-04:00I have a question. Is there any possibility at all...I have a question. Is there any possibility at all of Dion running for the leadership in May? <BR/><BR/>After all, he believes that he was right about where the party and the country should be heading. And lots of people respected his integrity. <BR/><BR/>The fact that he didn't step down suggests to me that he wants to keep fighting for his vision. And if he does a good job in challenging the Conservatives and promoting his vision, then wouldn't he want to try again?<BR/><BR/>Is there anything in the rules or in what he said that rules out this as a possibility?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-66688269549792364602008-10-20T22:19:00.000-04:002008-10-20T22:19:00.000-04:00ITCI'll take that bet :)ITC<BR/><BR/>I'll take that bet :)Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-12927733054277845422008-10-20T21:14:00.000-04:002008-10-20T21:14:00.000-04:00The problem we ran into last time was that althoug...The problem we ran into last time was that although Ignatieff swept Quebec, there were still not enough Liberals to fill those delegate spots when it mattered. You know, actual bodies on the convention floor. That’s how bad the situation is in that province.<BR/><BR/>I also wouldn’t count Ignatieff as an automatic Quebec shoe in favorite. A lot of Quebec Liberals were just as mad at him for not being able to win as they were at the LPC in general for not supporting the nation stuff.<BR/><BR/>If I were a betting man, I would say Rae has a 70/30 shot to win. His surrogates have been organizing for a while. Dont be surprised that when the leadership contest really kicks off, he will have a commanding lead in terms of money and a slight lead in terms of caucus endorsements. <BR/><BR/>I also like LeBlanc and think he is an up and comer, but his staunch federalist views may hurt him in Quebec. I hope he decides not to run at this point. <BR/><BR/>-ITC<BR/><BR/><BR/>-ITCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-70455305559954331362008-10-20T20:05:00.000-04:002008-10-20T20:05:00.000-04:00I wonder if Coderre jumps in, that could hurt Iggy...I wonder if Coderre jumps in, that could hurt Iggy in Quebec, otherwise he will be in a powerful position. Is it 1/3 of the total delegates?Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-38823118738300997572008-10-20T19:52:00.000-04:002008-10-20T19:52:00.000-04:00Steve - I take everything from CTV with a grain of...Steve - I take everything from CTV with a grain of salt right now.<BR/><BR/>I spoke to a CBC reporter today who told me the "exclusive" CTV report that McCallum was going to be the interim leader was a false leak given to CTV as a response to the Dion interview fiasco (he also told me the actions of CTV were highly unethical, though I doubt I have to tell you that).<BR/><BR/>That said, if it were true I actually like that deal, since it minimizes the damage (unless Iggy wins of course). ;)Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-29454041465759905052008-10-20T19:47:00.000-04:002008-10-20T19:47:00.000-04:00gayleI saw Holland, and it sounds nice, but they'r...gayle<BR/><BR/>I saw Holland, and it sounds nice, but they're all divisive at this point, the main contenders I mean. Also, take it for what it's worth but Fife said the Iggy and Rae camps already have an agreement that the one with lesser support moves to the leader, so if true, the chance for someone to come up the middle isn't credible.<BR/><BR/>jimme<BR/><BR/>Someone mentioned that we should put a cap on the leadership fundraising, so we don't drain the party and have all these outstanding debts. I love that idea, especially if it looks like a battle between the old school buddies (which is VERY likely).Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-45079137566185042932008-10-20T19:06:00.000-04:002008-10-20T19:06:00.000-04:00Good Post SteveWhile I mostly agree, a couple of p...Good Post Steve<BR/>While I mostly agree, a couple of points:<BR/>Ontario - The provincial Liberals were able to Mop-up the province. Federally we can do that again.<BR/>Money - How is it we Liberals wrote the rules & are the one's who can't figure them out?!! For one, we need to find a way to get incremental donations. Leadership Convention should be a way to MAKE MONEY not loose money!<BR/>Western Canada, the Maritimes & the NDP - We lost seats in these regions in part due to the NDP. As you said, the centre is where the votes are, we need to convince all Canadians the Liberal party is the party of the Progressive Centre. We need policy that connects with my dipper friends that does not seem fiscally rash to my Reform/SoCred mother-in-law.<BR/>I don't care what folks say, politics is about emotion, we need thoughtful policy & a leader that connects on an emotional level.JimmEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703715618040666970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-74879742090800459712008-10-20T18:57:00.000-04:002008-10-20T18:57:00.000-04:00May I suggest that any candidate who is going to b...May I suggest that any candidate who is going to be divisive should not win.<BR/><BR/>I heard Mark Holland say that today on Newman.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-81503883137849192932008-10-20T18:45:00.000-04:002008-10-20T18:45:00.000-04:00ITCI hear you.local gritAgreed, especially B.C. an...ITC<BR/><BR/>I hear you.<BR/><BR/>local grit<BR/><BR/>Agreed, especially B.C. and Manitoba. Alberta is a lost cause, but we can start slowly, almost a ditto for Sask. That's just the reality, whereas Quebec is more fertile ground.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-69187400382026539212008-10-20T18:32:00.001-04:002008-10-20T18:32:00.001-04:00Two thoughts (for the record, I was a strong Ignat...Two thoughts (for the record, I was a strong Ignatieff supporter in 2006 and now don’t really care anymore)<BR/><BR/>Economy: If that’s going the be the major issue for the next couple years, does Rae become a liability due to his record? However, at the same token, I think he would have the best one on one fight , from a selling point of view, against Harper.<BR/><BR/>Quebec: I think Ignatieff is the defacto Quebec candidate. Even before chosing someone that can have a significant impact on Quebec (ie. Ignatieff), the LPC party must first decide whether Ignatieff's vision for Quebec is the correct one. A lot of Quebecers the last time around saw the victory of Dion in the context of the LPC's views on federalism. And the seat count should indicate how they partially reacted. <BR/><BR/>At the same time, Ignatieff got roasted by staunch federalist Liberals from Ontario and the ROC media and I believe, that, above all else, led to his defeat. <BR/><BR/>It’s why I sort of wished we had a major policy convention before this last election. There are some fundamental core issues that party cannot seem to get consensus around.<BR/><BR/>Tough to be a Liberal these days, whatever that means.<BR/><BR/>-ITCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-32595857263493718432008-10-20T18:32:00.000-04:002008-10-20T18:32:00.000-04:00Along with Quebec, the next leader need to appeal ...Along with Quebec, the next leader need to appeal to the West. If we don't start appealing the fastest growing region in the country we will never get a majority again.Brent Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07807992814772838110noreply@blogger.com