tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post1564440336736666082..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: 21 A.D.Steve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-33258726026106640792008-09-28T16:41:00.000-04:002008-09-28T16:41:00.000-04:00That is clearly worth a link.Sadly, Coyne is one o...That is clearly worth a <A HREF="http://rationalreasons.blogspot.com/2008/09/vulgar-conservatism.html" REL="nofollow">link</A>.<BR/><BR/>Sadly, Coyne is one of the few to notice.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-56492505130888733582008-09-28T16:19:00.000-04:002008-09-28T16:19:00.000-04:00Steve, they have been like that the whole time. An...Steve, they have been like that the whole time. Andrew Coyne has skewered both conservative budgets because they are high spending ones - more spending that Mulroney, more than Paul Martin and, incredibly, more than Trudeau.<BR/><BR/>And remember, this is exactly what Flaherty did in Ontario and put us into a $6 billion deficit...don't trust these guys.<BR/><BR/>Details at my place...Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06941875334878452635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-74736248940560361452008-09-28T14:57:00.000-04:002008-09-28T14:57:00.000-04:00blackYou may be right, and the polls suggest getti...black<BR/><BR/>You may be right, and the polls suggest getting away from the script might be working. We'll see.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-8386419453793221072008-09-28T14:55:00.000-04:002008-09-28T14:55:00.000-04:00Family dinner last night - the argument was "when ...Family dinner last night - the argument was "when did dinner become lunch and suppertime become dinnertime?? No one had any clear answers. But we did discuss the coming absence of proper meat inspection as we ate what may well be one of the last, truly well-inspected sirloin tip beef roasts. <BR/><BR/>In the midst of this somewhat passionate discussion, we are talking about our food supply here and in the middle of farming country, where most incomes are directly related to the producing of food, after all, the subject of the election came up. Traditional progressive voters, known to swing between NDP and Liberal, but very tepid Dion supporters this time around, had this to say: He needs to get angry more often! Yes, he shows his humanity when he does that! Yes, he comes across as more real! After recovering a little from my shock, as I have yet to hear them say anything that is not critical of Dion, I asked what prompted this, and they said it was his retorting that he doesn't need to take lessons from Conservatives on both Canadian Unity and Deficits! I add exclamation points to these statements because both the tone used, the context of past statements made by these voters, the fact that they watch alot of TV and actually saw Dion on TV, as well as their facial expressions, conveyed to me, that Dion's more passionate, outraged, EMOTIONAL, responses to Harper's outrageous attacks on his character and the Liberal record resonated, so please pass this on, this message. Gone were the usual western portrayals of Dion, his accent, can't understand him, too bookish, etc.<BR/><BR/>- BlackstarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-85042795477429845422008-09-28T14:46:00.000-04:002008-09-28T14:46:00.000-04:00I'm still not sure what Trudeau has to do with Har...I'm still not sure what Trudeau has to do with Harper saying something yesterday, but in practice doing the exact opposite a few weeks ago. Oh, the dodge and weave, a solution to every dilemna.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-41087701813842197892008-09-28T14:41:00.000-04:002008-09-28T14:41:00.000-04:00This will be the first time ever that, should the ...This will be the first time ever that, should the polls turn true, that a returning gov't will feign shock and say 'Oh, we never thought it was this bad!' and then back away from many of their promises (not that he needed economic troubles to do that from the day he was sworn in!)... Campbell did it here when he was first elected, and McGinty the same in Ontario. But they could blame the previous gov't... Harper is going to have to build a long trail of crumbs to leave the blame at the foot of the 2004-05 Martin gov't. Not that he won't stop trying.burlivespipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18048415779214466831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-17544028261889603702008-09-28T14:11:00.000-04:002008-09-28T14:11:00.000-04:00up at nanos cons down.up at nanos cons down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-6696015334385591262008-09-28T12:43:00.000-04:002008-09-28T12:43:00.000-04:00Mark has it bang on: "Of course, this is classical...Mark has it bang on: "Of course, this is classically what Conservatives want to do: tax cut us into deficit to ensure there's no more so-called "big government."<BR/><BR/>The second Harper gets elected (if he does) it will be all lean and mean again, slashing everything he hates and making every bill a confidence vote. And if that happens the Liberals should vote against every single confidence bill with no exception.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12925229206558848754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-49042692037064349812008-09-28T12:04:00.001-04:002008-09-28T12:04:00.001-04:00Canadians have to experience the downsides of a Bu...Canadians have to experience the downsides of a Bush-type adminstration before they kick the Tories out. The Tory policies are not forward-looking which is what we need from our leaders. What people will remember is not Harper's sweaters, but how we lost ground in a world economy and left domestic challenges unmet. The facts are all there, but we choose to ignore them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-43569874787885096422008-09-28T12:04:00.000-04:002008-09-28T12:04:00.000-04:00wc macdonell said:"In a nation that never even had...wc macdonell said:<BR/><BR/>"In a nation that never even had an annual deficit until Trudeau came along,"<BR/><BR/>This is the sort of thing that the CPC wants to sell as revisionist history in order to try to blame Liberals for everything, despite fixing the disastrous fiscal mismanagement of the Mulroney Conservatives, and running eight consecutive balanced budgets.<BR/><BR/>We have had a National Debt for many generations, and will continue to do so. Deficits were, thus, common, long before Trudeau. <BR/><BR/>Trudeau did run up debt, but he did so during of time of huge economic upheaval throughout the Western world (stagflation). When Trudeau finally left office, Canada's debt load was actually at the OECD average.<BR/><BR/>Mulroney, like Ronald Reagan, actually managed to to build up more debt, despite have a better economy in the mid-80s to work from. BY the time the 90s rolled around, Wall St. was claiming that Canada was turnign into "third-world nation status" due to our inability to control spending. <BR/><BR/>The Liberals, among much hollering from the left wing, managed to turn our financials right around.<BR/><BR/>Harper is screwing up. He did the wrong tax cut (GST), and has promised so much spending that we are now known to be hovering around having little surplus left. We may even be falling into a deficit situation. <BR/><BR/>Compare this to the proven Liberal strategy of maintaining a continual splitting surplus, splitting it between spending and debt reduction.<BR/><BR/>Of course, this is classically what Conservatives want to do: tax cut us into deficit to ensure there's no more so-called "big government."Mark Richard Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16331995640397477486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-41690856302406731392008-09-28T11:22:00.000-04:002008-09-28T11:22:00.000-04:00"It's okay for Paul Martin to make 26 billion in p..."It's okay for Paul Martin to make 26 billion in promises, with new money, not previously announced money,"<BR/><BR/>Oh ya, and speaking of HISTORY, why don't you go back and read all the Harper quotes when Martin was doing that, I think you'll find the naked hypocrisy enlightening.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-30573879260390903852008-09-28T11:19:00.000-04:002008-09-28T11:19:00.000-04:00Nice tirade. Interesting how you just gloss over ...Nice tirade. Interesting how you just gloss over the lack of fiscal conservatism of your HERO.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-48176630003200001752008-09-28T11:09:00.000-04:002008-09-28T11:09:00.000-04:00All this, and he's running a SURPLUS anyway... ima...All this, and he's running a SURPLUS anyway... imagine that.<BR/><BR/>It's okay for Paul Martin to make 26 billion in promises, with new money, not previously announced money, but when Harper makes pledges, most of which was previously announced, he's spending us into deficit.<BR/><BR/>"Hypocrit's are us", the Liberal party is through the door on the left.<BR/><BR/>In a nation that never even had an annual deficit until Trudeau came along, much less a national deficit of 190 billion which he cheerfully left in the lap of the Conservatives. Not to mention spending programs which once enacted, Mulroney had no choice but to continue... you know, like the $4.5 billion we spend annually on bilingualism.<BR/><BR/>Then we have to sit back and watch as Paul Martin and Jean Chretien villify Bad Brian, for paying for their beloved leaders promises, and creating NAFTA, and implementing a GST so that those programs could be paid for, not to mention the national debt.<BR/><BR/>Only to have Jean Chretien and Martin hack health care to death, take credit for doing what a monkey could do with the GST and coporate tax revenues NAFTA created.<BR/><BR/>Yet Harper is the man who will destroy us.<BR/><BR/>Yeesh. Go buy a history book that goes back a little further than your birthday Steve. <BR/><BR/>Your hero's are created on the backs of Conservatives... they just forgot to mention it to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com