tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post2251089685066332599..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: New PollSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-72542930687834008052009-03-18T07:55:00.000-04:002009-03-18T07:55:00.000-04:00I've considered that Joseph. You can't discount t...I've considered that Joseph. You can't discount the Dion factor, and given the NDP's share of the vote was essentially stagnant last election, it was hardly the great showing some argue (MP's tend to blur that reality).Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-80531733124349834812009-03-18T02:32:00.000-04:002009-03-18T02:32:00.000-04:00Has anyone ever considered the possibility that ND...Has anyone ever considered the possibility that NDPs relative increase in the last election might have been Liberals who really did not warm to Dion but would never vote for Harper?<BR/><BR/>In that case, it didn't necessarily mean they were further left. Some of them might well be center right.<BR/><BR/>Once the Liberals had a leader with which they felt more comfortable with, they would then begin shifting back.<BR/><BR/>That would certainly be a reasonable explanation for why the NDP is losing ground even though Ignatieff is widely regarded as being more towards the center of the spectrum as compared to Dion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-71715123325111136652009-03-17T22:35:00.000-04:002009-03-17T22:35:00.000-04:00NorthI guess you didn't read this part:"Much of th...North<BR/><BR/>I guess you didn't read this part:<BR/><BR/>"Much of the Liberal increase from the last election seems to have come from the NDP. In fact, nearly a quarter (22%) of people who voted NDP in 2008 are now supporting or leaning towards Ignatieff’s Liberals."<BR/><BR/>Weird.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-67579596153799560292009-03-17T20:01:00.000-04:002009-03-17T20:01:00.000-04:00Liberal poll #s:as the very junior partner in a ce...Liberal poll #s:<BR/>as the very junior partner in a center-right coalition ... can't expect more.Northern PoVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04670080478290108536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-29999900793347508462009-03-17T19:31:00.000-04:002009-03-17T19:31:00.000-04:00I was actually going to, but I figured you'd have ...I was actually going to, but I figured you'd have some crack about the oilsands ;)<BR/><BR/>Sandi<BR/><BR/>You're right about opposition leaders, and Harper never did this well relative to Martin.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-58197857968667745402009-03-17T19:02:00.000-04:002009-03-17T19:02:00.000-04:00Boy, DL really adds to the discussion eh?DL - you ...Boy, DL really adds to the discussion eh?<BR/><BR/>DL - you forgot to mention that Layton is a self-righteous and sanctimonious phony.<BR/><BR/>Opposition leaders usually don't do well in the polls, so I think it's encouraging about Ignatieff.RuralSandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552973218865121867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-81004259549483945062009-03-17T18:13:00.000-04:002009-03-17T18:13:00.000-04:00Joseph, there may be enough room in Canadian polit...Joseph, there may be enough room in Canadian politics for one condescending prig. The question is, what happens when TWO party leaders are condescending prigs (actually three if you count the most condescendingly priggish of them all - Elizabeth May)? Layton and Duceppe have their faults too - but not of the condescendingly priggish variety.DLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11587165866597795302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-53466374835570070592009-03-17T18:01:00.000-04:002009-03-17T18:01:00.000-04:00If Canadians were really soured by condescending p...If Canadians were really soured by condescending prigs, they would have turfed the petty 3-year old long currently acting as PM long ago ; ).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-7186004362890728182009-03-17T17:49:00.000-04:002009-03-17T17:49:00.000-04:00I would have thought that you'd say that Ignatieff...I would have thought that you'd say that Ignatieff was the Extra Virgin Olive Oil that would rise to the top! You're disappointing me.DLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11587165866597795302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-69778632375945221862009-03-17T15:35:00.000-04:002009-03-17T15:35:00.000-04:00Me too, but you left out the Layton vinegar, the H...Me too, but you left out the Layton vinegar, the Harper lemon and the Ignatieff fresh romaine.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-73431323280007132472009-03-17T15:30:00.000-04:002009-03-17T15:30:00.000-04:00I like my salad dressing analogy!I like my salad dressing analogy!DLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11587165866597795302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-41040302585700310532009-03-17T15:17:00.000-04:002009-03-17T15:17:00.000-04:00"Once people see what a condescending prig Ignatie..."Once people see what a condescending prig Ignatieff is - his numbers will tumble"<BR/><BR/>And this explains why your "analysis" is irrelevant. Maybe the above is what is happening to Jack right now ;)<BR/><BR/>mushroom<BR/><BR/>"How do we get the vision numbers up with regards to leadership?"<BR/><BR/>Early days, once we get a platform out, if he can sell it, we're good. What is really relevant now, the economy numbers and best PM. Exceptional on the PM score, and part of that is Harper's inability, but the close gap on the economy is very encouraging (can't see Harper's numbers improving anytime soon either).<BR/><BR/>sjw<BR/><BR/>Their numbers are skewed, we really need to worry about BC. Canadians are indifferent, probably a logjam now, with some minor erosion, until the election.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-78706832679110137392009-03-17T15:09:00.000-04:002009-03-17T15:09:00.000-04:00The leadership numbers are where the focus should ...The leadership numbers are where the focus should be. Layton at -27 and May at -11 are problematic if you are a supporter of these two parties. This shows that since the change in Grit leadership, the air war has been "Iggy, Iggy, Iggy". Not surprising for a man who lives for publicity.<BR/><BR/>How do we get the vision numbers up with regards to leadership? Inspiring confidence shows that Iggy knows how to win but Harpo still has the ideological hammer sewn up for the right. This is what the Grits need to work at.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-22367890692086680792009-03-17T15:07:00.000-04:002009-03-17T15:07:00.000-04:00Once people see what a condescending prig Ignatief...Once people see what a condescending prig Ignatieff is - his numbers will tumble - right now he is an unknown and you can be sure that the Tories will spend a few million over the summer demolishing him in pre-campaign advertising. If you want to see really low numbers for an opposition leader - take a look at Harper's approval ratings in the summer of '05 after he failed to defeat the Martin gov't as a result of the Stronach defection...and then he became PM. The world we are in is totally different place from last Fall and it will be an even more different place a further six months or so down the road.DLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11587165866597795302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-72868644968927807862009-03-17T15:02:00.000-04:002009-03-17T15:02:00.000-04:00They're trending down, we're trending up.I know, I...<EM>They're trending down, we're trending up.</EM><BR/><BR/>I know, I know, but the latest demonstration of ineptitude courtesy of Gary Goodyear just leaves me to believe that <BR/>a)their numbers are severely skewed by the support they enjoy in the west. <BR/>b)Canadians are indifferent to who governs us, or<BR/>c)are clueless to see the absolute incompetence that is the Harper government.<BR/><BR/>I just don't get it and <EM>it</EM> is making me crazy.sjwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16425560486235905508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-24517308511157940902009-03-17T15:00:00.000-04:002009-03-17T15:00:00.000-04:00DLThere is some truth in the "campaign" argument. ...DL<BR/><BR/>There is some truth in the "campaign" argument. However, you're missing a key ingredient. During the preamble to the last election, Layton was quite popular, the Liberal leader quite unpopular, Harper enjoyed a ridiculous advantage. That dynamic has changed considerably, Layton has NEVER been this low, Harper this unpopular and the Liberal leader so competitive. If you want to just fluff it all off, have at it, but just as I argued before the last election, leadership matters. I was right about that one, unfortunately. <BR/><BR/>This isn't the same, and in a campaign it's largely a question of leadership and/or ability to articulate. I like our chances much more than before. Also, the NDP put much of their focus on Layton, because he was quite popular. That theme seems to be evaporating, another indication that comparisons are misguided.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1749493772994999172009-03-17T14:54:00.000-04:002009-03-17T14:54:00.000-04:00AR was actually the pollster that came closest to ...AR was actually the pollster that came closest to the actual results in the last election. Its also interesting that their results are identical to the latest Strategic Counsel poll. Its also notable that 35/31/16 is exactly the same as the average of over 100 national polls conducted between January 2007 and August 2008. Its like a bottle of salad dressing - the norm seems to be this 35-31-16 level anytime there is no campaign. Then we have an election campaign and its like giving the bottle of salad dressing a good shake and the results all depend on where the globules of oil and vinegar are on election day!DLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11587165866597795302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-11320483299183828852009-03-17T14:36:00.000-04:002009-03-17T14:36:00.000-04:00sjwIt's important to keep individual pollsters in ...sjw<BR/><BR/>It's important to keep individual pollsters in mind, and this is the lowest number from AR, for the Cons. They're trending down, we're trending up.<BR/><BR/>gayle<BR/><BR/>And, it makes the attacks less persuasive, when the messenger is wounded.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-5263891900337503522009-03-17T14:33:00.000-04:002009-03-17T14:33:00.000-04:00"There is marked increase in the proportion of Can..."There is marked increase in the proportion of Canadians who disapprove of the party's performance, and little positive momentum for its leader."<BR/><BR/>I guess that is what happens when you oppose simply for the sake of opposing.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-3369587790544210452009-03-17T14:32:00.000-04:002009-03-17T14:32:00.000-04:00I just don't understand how the Conservatives are ...I just don't understand how the Conservatives are maintaining the numbers they are. Are Canadians really that obtuse? Sadly, I think the answer is 'yes'.sjwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16425560486235905508noreply@blogger.com