tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post4561474588930254630..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Liberals Don't Need to WinSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-55642157018411888862010-10-19T23:20:47.500-04:002010-10-19T23:20:47.500-04:00Deficit Jim, from the Ernie Eves government, and h...Deficit Jim, from the Ernie Eves government, and his hidden 5.4 billion deficit, because lying comes easy.Jerry Pragerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054428435443042500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-17097526375394207352010-10-19T16:29:35.735-04:002010-10-19T16:29:35.735-04:00I don't understand why the Liberals are even s...I don't understand why the Liberals are even seen as weak on the economy. Its a strange media meme that keeps coming back just like in the US. Our biggest deficits are always run up by Conservative governments and then reduced by Liberal ones. People should just keep repeating that. Sure, they don't have Paul Martin now, but Liberals have shown in the past they can deal sensibly with the economy without spending more money than we ever have ever on useless military toys rather than actual support for our troops.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-62489349198154595602010-10-19T14:27:37.160-04:002010-10-19T14:27:37.160-04:00"This is no time for the Liberals to peg them..."This is no time for the Liberals to peg themselves to any particular fiscal policy."<br /><br />Things can change, but if you don't have a plan for current reality, you open yourself up to easy attacks from opponents. I think it's irresponsible to not lay out a clear, concise target.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-23987153744777439082010-10-19T14:19:45.281-04:002010-10-19T14:19:45.281-04:00Mound of Sound,
Yes, I don't agree that the F...Mound of Sound,<br /><br />Yes, I don't agree that the Flatherty "tighten your bootstraps" and we'll weather all of this just fine approach either which the Liberal policy somewhat adopts.<br /><br />Of course Flatherty was saying the same thing, basically, when he did the stimulus spending... knuckle down, spend this stimulus money to keep Canadians working and then deal with the deficit. <br /><br />It has all been about being tough and hard nosed when dealing with the finances.<br /><br />Adopting specific policies for a future govt so long before we <i>think</i> an election will take place can have the Liberals tied to something they may want to change by the time that election actually occurs.<br /><br />However, if they state principles more than policy, and to a degree they have ie. tough choices on spending priorities and delaying the corporate tax cuts, that "brands" them as good financial managers just as Flatherty has tried to do while spending and creating a massive deficit and while supposedly ending that deficit. <br /><br />However, you can't expect a rational, complex discussion of fiscal policy to occur in any public arena nowadays. It's a sound bite war and when/if the Liberals bring down an actual budget or fight an election one good sound bite can replace an good old sound bite easily if you push it hard enough.<br /><br />Now the emphasis should be kept as the Liberals taking a responsible approach, focused on the needs of the Canadian (middle class) citizen. I think that's part of the Liberals approach and that can be applied to deficit reduction or to aid to the hard pressed taxpayers from some spending program if needed.Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04876442776701189706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-66006348968422554682010-10-19T13:49:39.805-04:002010-10-19T13:49:39.805-04:00Is anybody even noticing what's happening outs...Is anybody even noticing what's happening outside Canada? Today even the World Bank warned about a looming currency/protectionism trade war that could plunge the developed countries into a recession far deeper than we've seen over the past two years. Geithner found it necessary to pledge the U.S. would never devalue the dollar which probably means that option is very much on the table.<br /><br />This is no time for the Liberals to peg themselves to any particular fiscal policy. There are simply too many forces in play that we cannot hope to control. Harper is back to his ideology, cornered by the austerity/deficit slashing expectations of his base. I think Furious Leader is finding that the reins of power can quickly turn into the yoke.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-14164736733455211382010-10-19T12:19:48.181-04:002010-10-19T12:19:48.181-04:00Question: How do the Conservatives plan to attack ...Question: How do the Conservatives plan to attack the deficit?<br /><br />Answer: With $16 billion dollars worth of fighter jets.<br /><br /><br />Steve, you really shouldn't have told the Conservatives this, it would take them and their media friends days to figure it out on their own.<br /><br /><br />But seriously folks...<br /><br />Steve makes a very good point. I've never understand why the idea that the Liberals had to reduce the deficit in an entirely different way from the Conservatives (or the NDP even) for it to be a viable plan.<br /><br />However, how many will actually realize this? The media, Cons and NDP seem content to phrase this similarity as a legitimate attack on the Liberals so they do have work to do to get Canadians to see it as an level playing field. But if they can, then along with their actual track record of eliminating a deficit that persisted for decades then it can swing some votes the Liberals way.Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04876442776701189706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-1227124948225312082010-10-19T12:13:25.231-04:002010-10-19T12:13:25.231-04:00"Steve, let's get real. The IgLibs have b..."Steve, let's get real. The IgLibs have been dead at the switch on the economy since the onset of the recession."<br /><br />Ummm, where exactly have I disagreed? Did I not say the Cons have had a big advantage on this file in the past? That doesn't mean the past dictates the future. I think we are starting to see some distinctions, as well as overlapping here, which will serve us well in a campaign.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-31048593132130958972010-10-19T11:59:52.900-04:002010-10-19T11:59:52.900-04:00"Liberals don't need to 'win' thi..."Liberals don't need to 'win' this issue, they merely need to look a credible alternative. If the two plans are virtually inseparable, in terms of numbers, then voters are left with a blurred picture and we move into the details of each plans."<br /><br />Bulls-eye! A good strategy on the Liberal's part. Neutralize the "fiscal manager" card by nodding along and showing voters that they are the best alternative to achieve the same goals. Oh, and while they're at it, our standing in the international community will improve, public services will be protected, and management of the public purse more transparent. <br /><br />Good moves, all around.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16984468805919067190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-21626829795667960902010-10-19T11:59:22.990-04:002010-10-19T11:59:22.990-04:00Steve, let's get real. The IgLibs have been d...Steve, let's get real. The IgLibs have been dead at the switch on the economy since the onset of the recession. When Harper first prorogued Parliament, the Libs had a golden opportunity to craft their own stimulus/recovery platform. Instead their leader treated it like an extended school break and set about writing an enormously valuable book about his mother's family.<br /><br />When Parliament returned the Libs were empty handed. They had no option but to back the Harper "deck on the cottage" budget while making assinine mutterings about putting Harper "on probation."<br /><br />That they're now silent on the economy only means they're running utterly true to form.<br /><br />At this point, however, silence may be golden. The industrialized world, particularly the U.S., teeters on a "double dip" recession. This may be the worst possible moment for an austerity budget. That could backfire. Until the fog clears it might be best if the Libs sat on the fence. If the Tories botch their austerity plan at least the Libs will have clean hands - for once.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-4944176912160811332010-10-19T11:48:34.262-04:002010-10-19T11:48:34.262-04:00Fixed :)Fixed :)Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-76383575235198582352010-10-19T11:38:15.504-04:002010-10-19T11:38:15.504-04:00It amazes me that Liberals aren't attacking on...It amazes me that Liberals aren't attacking on deficit reduction. Run a radio ad, get the free media, start the debate. Unless it's being avid for the writ period...Jessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06441711770772926643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-30051679800054807102010-10-19T11:35:54.744-04:002010-10-19T11:35:54.744-04:00Interesting points.
"favorably" should...Interesting points. <br /><br />"favorably" should be favourably in. Canada. Ah, the tyranny of US default spell checkers. :-(CuJoYYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12235525186436704142noreply@blogger.com