tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post4774209626385664878..comments2023-10-22T09:18:16.885-04:00Comments on Far and Wide: Dona Cadman InterviewSteve Vhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-50996631305154928672008-02-29T15:32:00.000-05:002008-02-29T15:32:00.000-05:00"I'm not commenting on the legality of the situati...<I>"I'm not commenting on the legality of the situation"</I><BR/><BR/>despite the undeniable relevance.<BR/><BR/><I>"However if you wish to bring up legal issues"</I><BR/><BR/>lol! no, let's not discuss the legal implications of the topic at hand; rather, let's distract ourselves with some choice red herring. <BR/><BR/>yer a piece of werk, tomm....<BR/><BR/>KEvronKEvronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16732621823124759996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-10168489009724027842008-02-29T11:44:00.000-05:002008-02-29T11:44:00.000-05:00Good point Peter. You would think that an issue l...Good point Peter. You would think that an issue like this would be beyond partisanship.Justin Sociehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15416278898033377314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-12094132948045694702008-02-29T10:00:00.000-05:002008-02-29T10:00:00.000-05:00Every single person defending Harper et al needs t...Every single person defending Harper et al needs to ask themselves this question:<BR/><BR/>What if it was Chretien or Martin who had engaged in this kind of activity? Would you be defending them?Peter Dodsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15907889274467230962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-61660364848464940532008-02-29T08:00:00.000-05:002008-02-29T08:00:00.000-05:00I see the conservative talking brigade is over at ...I see the conservative talking brigade is over at my site. When that happens, you kneow they're worried.Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-5086623898947618052008-02-29T01:49:00.000-05:002008-02-29T01:49:00.000-05:00Cadman's wife AND daughter back the story? The Et...Cadman's wife AND daughter back the story? The Ethics committee and the RCMP looking in to it?<BR/><BR/>I'd say this is here for a while and it doesn't smell like roses.<BR/><BR/>The key here is the RCMP. Having appeared in the past to have given the Con's a pass, well let's just say I hope they break that pattern.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-78061536306761881882008-02-29T00:00:00.000-05:002008-02-29T00:00:00.000-05:00From CP:"And there's a tape circulating that sugge...From CP:<BR/><BR/>"And there's a tape circulating that suggests then-opposition leader Stephen Harper was not only aware of a financial offer to Chuck Cadman but gave it his blessing."<BR/><BR/>Nothing to see here.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-2897224226207085802008-02-28T23:56:00.000-05:002008-02-28T23:56:00.000-05:00Cadman's daughter, Jodi, also backed the story."He...Cadman's daughter, Jodi, also backed the story.<BR/><BR/>"He just said 'I have something to tell you,' and he told me that he was offered a life insurance policy, that my mom and myself would be taken care of," she said Thursday in Vancouver.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-3500377936850228942008-02-28T23:44:00.000-05:002008-02-28T23:44:00.000-05:00Steve:As I stated at knb's place the words "Conser...Steve:<BR/><BR/>As I stated at knb's place the words "Conservative", "bribe" and "dying man" were all mentioned in the same sentence today.<BR/><BR/>That is something anybody can understand.<BR/><BR/>So yes, I agree, this has the potential to reach much further than any other of the Conservative ethical lapses.<BR/><BR/>As well, good point about the Ethics Committee. I had forgotten about that. I still believe that this issue will fade as a major story within the week but the Committee hearings should cause it to bubble along in the background for some time.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-78582756238079586672008-02-28T23:36:00.000-05:002008-02-28T23:36:00.000-05:00Radwanski piece in the G and M:"For once, we may h...Radwanski piece in the G and M:<BR/><BR/>"For once, we may have stumbled onto a Canadian political scandal with enough of a human interest angle to really engage non-political people."<BR/><BR/>The in and out election scandal, that was inside baseball stuff, this has all the intangibles.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-31324676949281791882008-02-28T23:32:00.000-05:002008-02-28T23:32:00.000-05:00ottlibEthics Committee will take up this issue on ...ottlib<BR/><BR/>Ethics Committee will take up this issue on Tuesday. It ain't going anywhere...poor wilson.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-44191625545007153092008-02-28T23:25:00.000-05:002008-02-28T23:25:00.000-05:00You obviously have not been paying attention Wilso...You obviously have not been paying attention Wilson.<BR/><BR/>Every news organization in the country has been reporting allegations against the Conservatives that they offered financial rewards to Mr. Cadman for his vote. <BR/><BR/>As I stated over at knb's place those allegations will be damaging.<BR/><BR/>Of course, this will all go away after the weekend unless someone can dig up some more information. That is the nature of scandals. They need fresh information to keep going.<BR/><BR/>However, the Conservatives cannot expect it to stay away. It will pop up again.<BR/><BR/>Gayle, your response to Tomm is exactly what I would have said so you saved me the need to respond to him. Thanks.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-84074687632787005462008-02-28T23:19:00.000-05:002008-02-28T23:19:00.000-05:00Gayle,Perhaps you are right. However I don't see ...Gayle,<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you are right. However I don't see it like that. <BR/><BR/>I do recognize that my views are tainting what I "want" to see. <BR/><BR/>That being said, I see a lot of that on the Liberal side right now too.<BR/><BR/>TommTommhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06072854015300215347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-55265355182688843352008-02-28T23:02:00.000-05:002008-02-28T23:02:00.000-05:00Who said that the Cons offered Cadman anything to ...Who said that the Cons offered Cadman anything to vote no?<BR/>Everything I have read is they wanted Cadman to rejoin the party.wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03589410224972050999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-27890349050427183182008-02-28T22:37:00.000-05:002008-02-28T22:37:00.000-05:00It is s. 119 of the criminal code, by the way, and...It is s. 119 of the criminal code, by the way, and it makes it illegal to offer or accept "money, valuable consideration, office, place or employment for himself or another person in respect of anything done or omitted or to be done or ommitted by him in his official capacity..."<BR/><BR/>"Official capacity" would include a vote. It would not include the decision to cross the floor and join a different political party.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-62677580076806695662008-02-28T22:32:00.000-05:002008-02-28T22:32:00.000-05:00Tomm,As Mound of Sound noted in a recent post, Fla...Tomm,<BR/><BR/>As Mound of Sound noted in a recent post, Flanagan and Finley as muscle man, give us a break? There was only one who Harpo trust to do the dirty work when he was Leader of the Opposition. Now sitting in the West Coast etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-72825816120876656072008-02-28T22:30:00.000-05:002008-02-28T22:30:00.000-05:00Tomm you are spinning too hard.If Cadman was indee...Tomm you are spinning too hard.<BR/><BR/>If Cadman was indeed offered a bribe to vote against the liberals, that is a criminal code offence.<BR/><BR/>Crossing the floor for a cabinet post is not.<BR/><BR/>You may want to see them as moral equivalents, but legally they are very different.<BR/><BR/>There did not need to be a criminal investigation into Emerson and Stronach as both floor crossings were very public. Believe me, if they were criminal acts you would have heard about that.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-13531109484558178182008-02-28T22:22:00.000-05:002008-02-28T22:22:00.000-05:00Steve,People were joking about the "Liberanos". I...Steve,<BR/><BR/>People were joking about the "Liberanos". I wonder what the new one is going to be about Harper's "muscle" of Findlay and Flanagan?<BR/><BR/>...Da boys'll come by for a little chat...<BR/><BR/>TommTommhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06072854015300215347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-69830298848446070482008-02-28T22:18:00.000-05:002008-02-28T22:18:00.000-05:00ottlib,The separations you are making are meaningl...ottlib,<BR/><BR/>The separations you are making are meaningless.<BR/><BR/>If Belinda crosses the floor, obviously votes for the budget and gets a cabinet post, she has received direct financial renumeration for her actions. According to your comment: <BR/><BR/>"Offering an MP some kind of financial inducement for their vote is illegal."<BR/><BR/>According to your logic, what Belinda did was clearly illegal. Garth Turner is sitting as an independent, just like Cadman. He joins the Liberals. If, as a member of a party he gets help with his next campaign than he has received a direct financial benefit. Same with Garth, according to you...illegal. <BR/><BR/>I'm not as certain as you are about the legality of this stuff because nobody ever tried to get an RCMP probe going on Garth, David, or Belinda. <BR/><BR/>You said: "...Offering any kind of inducement to an MP to vote a certain way is illegal. If that inducement includes offers of fungible assets then it is highly illegal..."<BR/><BR/>If that is true, why wasn't Paul Martin charged in the Belinda case? <BR/><BR/>TommTommhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06072854015300215347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-87981903194423741152008-02-28T22:15:00.000-05:002008-02-28T22:15:00.000-05:00The National just had Cadman's daughter on, who sa...The National just had Cadman's daughter on, who said her father told her the same as reported by her mother. CBC also had audio of Harper's comments to Zytaruk, wherein he acknowledges that Cadman had "financial insecurities", but "don't push too hard". Harper's tone, very meek, is far more telling than the written word.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-45657663532172028302008-02-28T22:05:00.000-05:002008-02-28T22:05:00.000-05:00Tomm:Ms. Stonach and Mr. Emerson were convinced to...Tomm:<BR/><BR/>Ms. Stonach and Mr. Emerson were convinced to switch parties by promises of position, no question. However, that is not illegal. Unethical and dishonest certainly but there is no law against it.<BR/><BR/>Mr. Turner was turfed out of the Conservative caucus by Mr. Harper. Mr. Harper does not deny that by the way. Mr. Turner then spent some time as an independent before joining the Liberals. He has explained his motives for doing so many times and you can believe him or not. Either way, him joining the Liberals is not illegal.<BR/><BR/>Offering any kind of inducement to an MP to vote a certain way is illegal. If that inducement includes offers of fungible assets then it is highly illegal.<BR/><BR/>That Tomm is the difference between this situation and the others you quote. There is credible information that Mr. Cadman was offered a financial reward that was conditioned on him voting a certain way during the budget vote. <BR/><BR/>As soon as financial inducements enter the picture you are talking about very illegal acts.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-9775880632774727802008-02-28T21:49:00.000-05:002008-02-28T21:49:00.000-05:00Do MP's actually have million dollar insurance? Do...Do MP's actually have million dollar insurance? Does anyone here have life insurance of a million dollars through their employer?<BR/><BR/>If so, I might have to do some job shopping...Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-26458252676579073492008-02-28T21:45:00.000-05:002008-02-28T21:45:00.000-05:00ottlib,I'm not commenting on the legality of the s...ottlib,<BR/><BR/>I'm not commenting on the legality of the situation only on the only context I can think of that makes sense.<BR/><BR/>However if you wish to bring up legal issues, please explain to me Belinda Stronach, David Emerson, or Garth.<BR/><BR/>Belinda crosses for a vote and a cabinet seat. Emerson crosses to get a cabinet seat. Garth crosses so that he is no longer an independent (same as Cabman was apparently offered by Flanagan). <BR/><BR/>All of the characters in the first three operas are all with us and could clearly testify to an ethics committee or the RCMP about inducements.<BR/><BR/>TommTommhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06072854015300215347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-79791206592354304412008-02-28T21:39:00.000-05:002008-02-28T21:39:00.000-05:00Tomm:Offering an MP some kind of financial inducem...Tomm:<BR/><BR/>Offering an MP some kind of financial inducement for their vote is illegal.<BR/><BR/>So if the scenario you describe is true then the individuals who made such an offer would be guilty of a felony and a serious case could be made that the organization that they worked for could be implicated as well.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-88881340005907372452008-02-28T21:28:00.000-05:002008-02-28T21:28:00.000-05:00Steve,Its impossible right now to know what the tr...Steve,<BR/><BR/>Its impossible right now to know what the truth truly is. Dona clearly doesn't know the context, Chuck is dead, the author is pumping a book, and Wallace is claiming no knowledge. <BR/><BR/>The CPC is claiming knowledge but their dates are different and they strongly deny the authors spin.<BR/><BR/>However, the one thing that would fit the whole thing together so that it at least makes sense is your speculative thought of 7:55. <BR/><BR/>If Cadman voted with the Conservatives, he may have dropped the government. He loses his seat and maybe thinks he loses his MPs $1 Million Life Insurance Policy. If he expresses this as a reason to the CPC visitors, they perhaps say that they will find him a $1 Million policy to replace it.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if that's the truth, but that is an explanation that glues all of this together.<BR/><BR/>Very curious stuff.<BR/><BR/>TommTommhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06072854015300215347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20358187.post-86917707230064511162008-02-28T21:22:00.000-05:002008-02-28T21:22:00.000-05:00BCL, I heard that too. A bit odd, because he obvi...BCL, I heard that too. A bit odd, because he obviously supports the story. I wonder why he didn't clarify to the author that he wasn't there prior to now?<BR/><BR/>The author of the book in my read is not the most articulate guy in the world, but in fairness to him, few of us, inundated with national media suddenly would fare much better.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.com