The NDP are promising to focus on the Conservatives in this campaign. If their first campaign ad is any indication, the pledge looks to be true. I like it:
An otherwise extremly powerfull advert...................ruined by Layton's soft toned voice. Would have been better if they just mentioned the NDP party at the end.
Very powerfull though. Even though I don't agree with it.
"The NDP are promising to focus on the Conservatives in this campaign. If their first campaign ad is any indication, the pledge looks to be true. I like it:"
I am a bit confused here. Is this meant to grab fiscal and social conservatives away from the fold? Or hang like a vulture over the liberal party and collect your left wing voters.
You may like it, as I do, in the sense that it was well made. But do you like it as a Liberal???
I like it from the NDP's perspective, because as someone who has voted for them in the past, they should be going hard across the ideological divide. And, as a Liberal now, softing up Harper is never a bad thing, particularly on leadership.
It's most effective at ripping into Harper since it works to eat away at what he (and more importantly, the media) consider his strong point - and yes, the pun is intended. But Harper ought to have been given at least one or two specifics of positives for voting NDP. Perhaps that is coming later in the campaign.
babs - you folks over there in BT land always confuse attacking Harper with supporting Dion.
My NDP candidate has the best chance of defeating Rahim Jaffer, who always benefits from a split between the NDP and the LPC. My goal is to see Harper defeated.
I like this ad. It's straight forward. It is clearly identifiable as an NDP ad.
Let us remember that people don't always view themselves as being idelogical. One can be a Quebecker, suburbanite, farmer, rock music lover, or some other category. Canadians aren't limited to being left, centre, or right. Personally, I have voted Conservative before. Based on this ad., I could vote for the NDP.
The ad is excellent. I like Layton's emphasis on NEW in New Democrat. And contrary to another commenter, I like the softer tone; it's more classy than I've seen him in a long time.
"babs - you folks over there in BT land always confuse attacking Harper with supporting Dion.
My NDP candidate has the best chance of defeating Rahim Jaffer, who always benefits from a split between the NDP and the LPC. My goal is to see Harper defeated."
Sorry Gayle, I don't have much respect for "strategic" voting. You vote for you think who is RIGHT. Plain and simple, not this "anyone but Harper B.S.". If you feels the libs are the way to go, then you vote for them, plain and simple. I just wonder how many liberals (lowecase "l") think the same.
babs - luckily for me I couldn't care less whether you respect the fact I vote strategically. No doubt you also disrespect all those CPC supporters who voted for the NDP in Outremont too.
KNB - Linda Duncan is well respected and well liked. She ran a good campaign last time around and came in second. The LPC and the NDP always compete over which party has the best chance of defeating Jaffer, and last time around she showed it was her. My husband and I follow that quite closely because we vote strategically, as do many people in this riding.
Hopefully the NDP supporters in Edmonton Centre will do the same and vote for Jim Wachowich - also well known, well respected and running for the liberals. I have met him several times and he is a great candidate.
I still say it is going to be interesting to see how he reacts to relentless attacks from all sides. It is something he has never had to deal with before. He could always focus on the Liberals and largely ignore the NDP and the Bloc.
Sorry, this is hilarious. Not one liberal has challenged Gayles position on this, but only I have. The funny thing is, the left will be so split, the conservatives will get a HUGE majority. The only way to stop a harper majority, is for a strong liberal party, with another conservative minority, or a liberal minority.
OK - let me get this straight - Attack ads are only bad if Conservatives do it, right? No one seems overly upset over this attack ad. That aside, as a Conservative, I very much like this ad. It may just force people to really think about what they want from government and who they want as leader. If Layton can get people thinking HIM or HARPER, they are likely to forget what's his name with that other party!
Ipsos Reid published a poll that said a third of voters plan to vote strategically to prevent one party from forming the government. That does not mean everyone is doing that to avoid a Harper majority - some people will do that to prevent the liberals from winning the election.
As to my gamble, the biggest issue in this riding is who will beat Jaffer. My husband and I were discussing that as we were walking to the poll last time around - it was that close between the NDP and the LPC. I just hope people remember Duncan came close last time and vote for her instead of the LPC candidate. If not, Jaffer will be back.
I heard this morning, that only a quarter of Quebecers would be comfortable with a Harper majority. Given that Duceppe is already framing the fight on this ground, and everyone knows Quebec is the key for a majority, it presents a troubling dynamic for Harper.
anyone notice that Jack's podium (on QP this morning) didn't seem to have the word ndp anywhere? Had his name though.
Here's the thing Jack - if they don't know you by now, with the NDP having subsumed their brand to yours since minute 1 of your leadership, they don't want to know you.
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An otherwise extremly powerfull advert...................ruined by Layton's soft toned voice. Would have been better if they just mentioned the NDP party at the end.
Very powerfull though. Even though I don't agree with it.
"The NDP are promising to focus on the Conservatives in this campaign. If their first campaign ad is any indication, the pledge looks to be true. I like it:"
I am a bit confused here. Is this meant to grab fiscal and social conservatives away from the fold? Or hang like a vulture over the liberal party and collect your left wing voters.
You may like it, as I do, in the sense that it was well made. But do you like it as a Liberal???
"But do you like it as a Liberal???"
I like it from the NDP's perspective, because as someone who has voted for them in the past, they should be going hard across the ideological divide. And, as a Liberal now, softing up Harper is never a bad thing, particularly on leadership.
It is exactly the same format as John Tory's ads. Helps the Liberals by attacking Harper, but gives no reason to vote NDP.
Bravo! Mr. Layton. Great Ad.
I like it. I am going to vote for them!
(of course I was going to do that anyway, but the ad did help)
"I like it. I am going to vote for them!
(of course I was going to do that anyway, but the ad did help)"
Is this the same gayle who posts at Trusty Tory? I am not sure if there is another one? Why on earth would you vote NDP?
Unless you being sarcastic and I haven't picked that up.
It's most effective at ripping into Harper since it works to eat away at what he (and more importantly, the media) consider his strong point - and yes, the pun is intended. But Harper ought to have been given at least one or two specifics of positives for voting NDP. Perhaps that is coming later in the campaign.
babs - you folks over there in BT land always confuse attacking Harper with supporting Dion.
My NDP candidate has the best chance of defeating Rahim Jaffer, who always benefits from a split between the NDP and the LPC. My goal is to see Harper defeated.
I like this ad. It's straight forward. It is clearly identifiable as an NDP ad.
Let us remember that people don't always view themselves as being idelogical. One can be a Quebecker, suburbanite, farmer, rock music lover, or some other category. Canadians aren't limited to being left, centre, or right. Personally, I have voted Conservative before. Based on this ad., I could vote for the NDP.
This is exactly the type of ad that has been talked about for the last couple of days. A strong message attacking an opponant but clean and fair.
Hopefully a sign of most of the ads this election.
It's a good ad. Problem is, the NDP haven't any newness about it. It's had the same policies, etc. for over 40 years.
Perhaps they'll set out something later - all this does it repeat what they say over and over again.
I could never vote NDP because I wouldn't want uions to have so much control over Canada...but boy it would be worth it to get rid of Jaffer.
The ad is excellent. I like Layton's emphasis on NEW in New Democrat. And contrary to another commenter, I like the softer tone; it's more classy than I've seen him in a long time.
Well done!
gayle, why does Duncan have a better chance than the Lib.
I'm not being critical, just curious.
"babs - you folks over there in BT land always confuse attacking Harper with supporting Dion.
My NDP candidate has the best chance of defeating Rahim Jaffer, who always benefits from a split between the NDP and the LPC. My goal is to see Harper defeated."
Sorry Gayle, I don't have much respect for "strategic" voting. You vote for you think who is RIGHT. Plain and simple, not this "anyone but Harper B.S.". If you feels the libs are the way to go, then you vote for them, plain and simple. I just wonder how many liberals (lowecase "l") think the same.
babs - luckily for me I couldn't care less whether you respect the fact I vote strategically. No doubt you also disrespect all those CPC supporters who voted for the NDP in Outremont too.
KNB - Linda Duncan is well respected and well liked. She ran a good campaign last time around and came in second. The LPC and the NDP always compete over which party has the best chance of defeating Jaffer, and last time around she showed it was her. My husband and I follow that quite closely because we vote strategically, as do many people in this riding.
Hopefully the NDP supporters in Edmonton Centre will do the same and vote for Jim Wachowich - also well known, well respected and running for the liberals. I have met him several times and he is a great candidate.
And so it begins for Mr. Harper.
I still say it is going to be interesting to see how he reacts to relentless attacks from all sides. It is something he has never had to deal with before. He could always focus on the Liberals and largely ignore the NDP and the Bloc.
Now he has to counter all of their attacks.
Thanks Gayle. I wasn't familiar with either candidate, but if she has a good track record, fingers crossed.
ottlib. I don't think it's in Harper to ignore attacks. Ugly Harper will show his face in the first week is my bet.
"slit that vote.....split that vote!"
Say it with me everyone, altogether now:
"split that vote!!!"
If you want a strong voice from the left to challenge Harper, forget about Dion, he' history.
Layton or Harper, that's the real choice in this election.
Sorry, this is hilarious. Not one liberal has challenged Gayles position on this, but only I have. The funny thing is, the left will be so split, the conservatives will get a HUGE majority. The only way to stop a harper majority, is for a strong liberal party, with another conservative minority, or a liberal minority.
Absolutly mind-boggling.
Bab...,
Dion's on the way down,
Layton is on the way up. Supporting Dion to stop Harper would be a HUGE mistake. This election is different. Now's the time to go NDP.
Get over yourself babylonian.
Strategic voting will go on and as Gayle pointed out, in some areas it makes sense to keep the Con's out.
HUGE majority? You are delusional.
That said, strategic voting in strongholds would be deadly...progressive strongholds that is. That's not going to happen.
I don't know if Gayles gamble will give the NDP another seat, but they are also poised to lose some, so I'd hold back on the enthusiasm.
OK - let me get this straight - Attack ads are only bad if Conservatives do it, right? No one seems overly upset over this attack ad. That aside, as a Conservative, I very much like this ad. It may just force people to really think about what they want from government and who they want as leader. If Layton can get people thinking HIM or HARPER, they are likely to forget what's his name with that other party!
If an attack ad sincerely helps someone vote for a party, it's a bit like admitting to liking brainwashing (even if the washing is factual).
It is exactly the same format as John Tory's ads. Helps the Liberals by attacking Harper, but gives no reason to vote NDP.
So Jason, it was bad that the NDP attacked the Liberals in the last campaign and bad that they are attacking the Tories in this one?
Ipsos Reid published a poll that said a third of voters plan to vote strategically to prevent one party from forming the government. That does not mean everyone is doing that to avoid a Harper majority - some people will do that to prevent the liberals from winning the election.
As to my gamble, the biggest issue in this riding is who will beat Jaffer. My husband and I were discussing that as we were walking to the poll last time around - it was that close between the NDP and the LPC. I just hope people remember Duncan came close last time and vote for her instead of the LPC candidate. If not, Jaffer will be back.
gayle
I heard this morning, that only a quarter of Quebecers would be comfortable with a Harper majority. Given that Duceppe is already framing the fight on this ground, and everyone knows Quebec is the key for a majority, it presents a troubling dynamic for Harper.
I hope they get another "Boot"ad going... that was easily the best ad of the last campaign.
Love em or hate em, the Dippers have great ads.
anyone notice that Jack's podium (on QP this morning) didn't seem to have the word ndp anywhere? Had his name though.
Here's the thing Jack - if they don't know you by now, with the NDP having subsumed their brand to yours since minute 1 of your leadership, they don't want to know you.
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